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j
Paris,
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Daytona 675 (06->)
29 Nov 2007 14:15 |
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Hey Tony,
Well... thinking about entering the 'No Budget Cup' next year with a couple of mates.
http://www.nobudgetcup.be/en/
Not much info there yet, but the short story:
all bikes have to be '99 or before frame+engine
5 races in 2008 (3 on Zolder, 2 on new track in France)
no slicks, probably only Bridgestone or only Pirelli allowed - street version
So... since I owned a '98 Dayto for 5 years and had an absolute blast with it, I was thinking about getting another one (pretty cheap these days)
http://www.2dehands.be/tr.....p;rubriek=motor
Sure to be pretty unique, mostly Yamaha and Honda in the pack, so would be cool to enter with a TR.
Also, don't know much about other brands - let alone pre-99 bikes - and since I know my way around a 595.. and the potential problems on gearbox/sprag etc.
To be clear, this cup is purely for amateurs (second season in 2008, about 30 teams they say) so it's not even about winning the thing or even being competitive at this stage.
Actually, a couple of journos from Bike Magazine took part in the last race of 2007, might have seen/read someting about it.
http://bike.mywowbb.com/forum37/8406.html
tx for your input, much appreciated!!
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X-Man
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29 Nov 2007 16:48 |
Sounds good to me (although I would not be able to enter due to the 'licensed racer' rule; even if my missus would let me  )
You would be better sourcind a '99 bike (which looks to be within the rules) as tey had quite a few bugs ironed out.
Pirelli Super Corsa and Pro are both street legal racing tyres and stick like shit to a blanket and suit the Triumph.
You won't be competative aginst R1's and the like from that era unless you are a shit hot rider (this is from experience)
You WILL need to tweak the suspension somehow as the standard stuff is pretty crap once you start pushing it.
look for ~120 bhp at the back wheel with a system and tune and some air box mods.
Don't worry about the sprag on a race bike you'll only be starting the thingmaybe 4 or 5 times a day on race days plus a few others. think about maybe geting some rollers for the car/van to do the job instead.
The Trupet will get hot so maybe leave the fans on or look at an aftermarket radiator if allowed.
Other than that they are pretty reliable as racers if you use and change the oil (best quality synthetic only) regulary. Watch out for the shims jumping out though if you regulary find your over reving it much ( like hitting the limiter on every change.
If you can fit a quickshifter as this will alleviate some of the aboe problem.
Anything else? Just ask m8.
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X-Man
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29 Nov 2007 16:54 |
BTW I have ashitload of spare for the early bikes which I would let go really cheap to a race team...
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
29 Nov 2007 20:02 |
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Great info, tx!
° get your point on the '99 but Daytonas are not really abundantly available here (in any MY) so we'll have to see what comes up
° suspension should not be a problem. we probably can get some sponsorship via Technoflex in order to change out the springs and rebuild the rear Showa with new parts/oil (that was doable right?). we'll drop the forks a bit through the yoke and get a suspension dude from TFlex to help out with the overall setup.
° regarding the system/tune/airbox, we'll have to see what the rules will be. they are pretty strict on db levels over here so probably even the regular TOR high can and tune + swiss cheese airbox would get us into trouble...  . i know guys on bog standard R6's that got a black flag, reportedly more due to the air intake sound (which is by tradition pretty heavy on the Dayto) than the actual exhaust. all depends on what is allowed on the raceday (Mondays). otherwise it will be the high can + some kind of baffle.
Just thought about the ground clearance on the original headers.. think it will be a problem? do the 99 headers allow for more lean? I touched Mother Earth once in a right hander, was not really problematic, but the unexpected jolt and sound was far from inspiring 
fyi: a (very) quick lap around our home track at Zolder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTATMZWo-c
(this is Shrike, probably the fastest non-race license amateur in the MET Cup... bastard has only been doing track work for a couple of years and does 1.39. for reference: average time for Budget Cup is about 1.50-1.55. Helps to be on a souped up '07 R1 with a giant sprocket on i guess  )
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X-Man
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29 Nov 2007 21:27 |
oooh, I forgot to mention to change the gearing; 17/47 is so much fun you wouldn't beleive the acceleration and it will still do over 145mph top whack 9which is plenty unless you have a very long straight)
The headers, yess they will catch you out hence the '99 bike which has the changed ones on them but I still think a full system is the way to go even if you ave to go back to a standard high level exhaust (which IIUIC are very loud anyway)
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X-Man
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29 Nov 2007 21:33 |
BTW on mine I grouded out the headers twice and both times it fetched me off.
Hmm, now then if I let my race license lapse (which i will have to do this year whilst recovering from the injuries) perhaps there might be a place for a 'guest' rider in your team in exchange for some spares.......as long as my wife doesn't find out.....
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X-Man
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29 Nov 2007 21:34 |
and yes the rear is rebuildable. I could probably do you a Nitron rear at cost in exchange for a sticker or something on your bike....
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
29 Nov 2007 21:46 |
 wouldn't mind a guest appearance.. as long as you don't toss the damned thing in the scenery that is
as far as I've come to understand there will be one or more Brit teams joining in anyway next year, prolly the Bike guys and mates i reckon.
we'll be discussing the whole thing - probably at length - over the next week or so.
anyway good to know there's someone here to help out if we get stuck. (and try and hold on to those spare parts for a bit longer.. )
i'll be checking in here if i have more news!
tx again & good luck on the rebuild 
j
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X-Man
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30 Nov 2007 09:59 |
no problem m8; all the best and do it, you know you really really want to.. 
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X-Man
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30 Nov 2007 10:01 |
and keep me up to date with dates; I may well come accross with the pikey hotel for a weekend to cheer you on (and deliver some spares  )
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
07 Dec 2007 15:53 |
So these are the rules.. dates to follow
1. STRUCTURE
The No Budget Cup is a totally independent championship.
Each team consists of two or three riders who compete on one and the same motorcycle.
The No Budget Cup is only open for bikes (engine and frame) built between 1990 and 1999 (inclusively), and riders who haven't had an international race license in the last ten years. There will be two classes in the No Budget Cup: one for bikes built between 1990 and 1994 (inclusively) and one for bikes built between 1995 to 1999 (inclusively). Displacement is not taken into account.
2. BRIDGESTONE TYRES
All team must use Bridgestone tyres only at all times, including all practice, qualifying and racing. No other tyre manufacturer logos are permitted on any part of the bike or rider.
Teams may use any type of Bridgestone tyre with the exception of Bridgestone racing tyres (BT-002). Slicks are not permitted. Only one pair of tyres may be used per race (not including practice and qualifying, or the use of racing wet tyres; see below).
Each team is permitted one spare pair of wheels with Bridgestone racing wet tyres fitted for use at the discretion of the team.
The use of tyre warmers is not permitted at any time.
Please note no tyre change service is available.
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
07 Dec 2007 15:53 |
3. RIDERS
The No Budget Cup is open to all riders except current international racing licence holders, or riders who've held an international race licence in the last two years.
The No Budget Cup is aimed at amateur riders, so no race licence is required. All riders will be required to sign a liability waiver before competing.
All riders must join the No Budget Club before competing (50 Euros).
4. PITCREW AND EQUIPMENT
Each pit crew can consist of four people maximum, riders not included. The pit crew have to be able to identify themselves to the organisers throughout the whole day. Teams who have too many people in the pits will be fined with a ‘Stop And Go’ penalty. When multiple violations occur, the team will be black flagged in the race and disqualified from the results. Too many people in the pit lane endangers both riders and pit crew.
The pit crew responsible for refuelling – both fire extinguisher holder and re-filler – are obliged to wear a full face crash helmet and overalls.
Children and animals are strictly forbidden in the pit lane.
Each pit crew must have a fire extinguisher of 9kg minimum.
5) ENTRY FEES
Per round fee: 333 Euros
Per season fee: 1665 Euros (five races)
Early booked per season fee: 1580 Euros (teams who pay their entrance fee for the whole season before March 31st 2008 will get a 5% reduction on the entrance fee)
The date of payment means your payment is accepted. No refunds will be given.
Booking will be first come, first served. The first 35 teams to pre-book for the season will be guaranteed a place.
6) REGISTRATION
Via the ‘registration’ button on www.nobudgetcup.be or by sending an email to stefaan.buyze@motorrijder.be
All registration forms will be sent to you by return. All registrations are closed 14 days before each round.
There is no minimum qualifying time; all teams whose registration have been accepted are racing. There are no refunds.
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
07 Dec 2007 15:53 |
7) PAYMENT
By Visa via www.nobudgetcup.be or by bank transfer to the following account:
Motorrijder bvba
564-5137100-67
IBAN: BE93 5645 1371 0067
BIC: GKCCBEBB
Mandatory information with your payment:
1) Team name
2) Names of riders
3) Make, type and year of production of your race bike
4) Preferred race number
5) Date of chosen race (or ‘full season’ if you chose to pay for the whole season)
 TECHNICAL RULES AND REGULATIONS
1) Quick fillers may be used for refuelling
2) There are no restrictions to engine tuning or chassis modifications
3) Engine and frame must be from a bike manufactured between 1990 and 1999
4) Bikes competing in the No Budget Cup must be equipped or comply with the following safety features:
a) secured (lockwired) front and rear brake calipers
b) secured (lockwired) oil filter, oil filler cap and oil sump plug
c) removed side and centre stands
d) removed lights and mirrors
e) water ONLY is to be used as engine coolant
f) modified fairing/bellypan to act as an oil catch pan (as per ACU regs)
g) a back protector is mandatory for all riders
In addition, all bikes must have three number boards: one on the front, one on each side of the seat unit. 16mm high race numbers will be provided by the organisers (together with mandatory sponsor stickers which MUST be clear and visible). Number board backing must be of a light colour, preferably white.
Personal sponsorship is permitted, but must not compete with official No Budget Cup Sponsors (eg no rival tyre company stickers to Bridgestone). For a complete list of official sponsors, please visit www.nobudgetcup.be
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
07 Dec 2007 15:53 |
9) SCRUTINEERING
Before the first qualifying session all race bikes will be subjected to scrutineering. If your bike does not comply with the above rules and regulations you will be denied access to the circuit. No refund will be given.
The decision of the organisers is absolute and final.
10) PIT STOPS
Pit stops must be performed as follows:
a) rider enters pitlane at predetermined speed (as per race briefing at meeting)
b) full engine stop
c) rider dismounts (bike is to be placed on stand)
d) bike may now be refuelled
e) any further work may be undertaken ONLY when the refuelling is complete
f) rider my remount and exit the pits at the predetermined speed
This procedure will be strictly monitored. Refuelling will only be permitted if the refuelling pit crew are wearing full face helmets and overalls. Visors must remain shut during refuelling.
11) POINTS
Points will be awarded for two classes:
1) No Budget Cup 1990 – 1994
2) No Budget Cup 1995 – 1999
Points from first to 16th place are:
1st: 25
2nd: 22
3rd: 19
4th: 16
5th: 13
6th: 11
7th: 10
8th: 9
9th: 8
10th: 7
11th: 6
12th: 5
13th: 4
14th: 3
15th: 2
16th: 1
Double points will be awarded at the last race of the season. When two or more teams have equal points in the final rankings, trhe team with the highest No Budget Factor (as determined by the organisers) will be crowned Champions
12) PENALTIES
All penalties in the No Budget Cup will take the form of Stop And Go penalties.
a) Ignoring yellow flags: 2 min
b) Ignoring yellow flag for second time: immediate disqualification and black flag
c) speeding in pitlane: 1 min
d) violation of pit procedure (including riding wrong way in pitlane): 1 min
13) PODIUMS AND PRIZES
20 minutes after the end of each race there will be a podium for the first three teams in each category.
There will also be prizes (in both classes):
1st place: 1 x pair Bridgestone tyres
2nd place: 1 set EBC brake pads
3rd place: four litres of Champion oil
That’s it. Good luck and good racing!
Renaud Amand & Stefaan Buyze
Organisers, No Budget Cup
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
09 Jan 2008 22:32 |
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heya Xster,
So... an update on this!
1. verified '99 R6 (frame+engine) (the original blue version with silver wheels) bought from a bloke that seemed to enjoy washing it more than anything else 
a good base to start from at least!
2. full 2008 season booked and all 5 races paid for!
3. sponsor talks are well under way.. we'll see but looks promising so far..
Right.. now we have about 3 months to get the bike sorted (first race end of April in France).
Been looking around at shocks and stuff, basically trying to decide whether to have the OEM stuff rebuilt and resprung or to go aftermarket (used of course and then rebuild). Missed out on a nice öhlins, know about a couple of WP about the place but obviously all ex-racerstuff and not too sure about quality.
So, how about the Nitron shocks and stuff then? Good gear I guess? Any clue on prices? Maybe any good used about that you know of? Do they have good springs for front and rear as well?
In the meantime, racefairings and possibly öhlins steering damper to be acquired over the weekend. Bike going in Yamaha dealer (that knows his stuff cause son has been racing R6 since 98..) somewhere in Jan. for carbs, valvejob etc. plus fitting of braided brakelines.
cheers!
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X-Man
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10 Jan 2008 11:06 |
J, look here http://www.biketorqueraci.....tron_shocks.asp
let me know if you are interested and I'l do you a racer price. BTR springs for the front.
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j
Paris,
France
Posts: 978
Daytona 675 (06->)
10 Jan 2008 13:45 |
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MMMMM... Nitron.
Sure would be nice for the racebike.. but too expensive for now i'm afraid.
How much is a racer price?
Btw, mentioning the brandname and such on the bike is no prob of course 
Overall look will be something along these lines (nm this is an R1)
Inline Image
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X-Man
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10 Jan 2008 14:18 |
YHM
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