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Nick
Prague, again,
United Kingdom
Posts: 6,446
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
09 May 2008 11:32 |
Whilst I am very sorry for the lads suffering, this is ridiculous.
People need to accept that accidents happen, not every incident is someones fault.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h.....ent/7389775.stm
No chance of us hiring anything like that for our parties then, I won't take the chance.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,584
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
09 May 2008 11:40 |
A few years back it was my mates 40th birthday. He hired a big bouncy castle and we put it up about 4 foot off the back of the house with the open part facing the house.
Then once the drink started to flow we started to jump off the flat roof into the castle.
By the time the night was out we were doing group formation jumps. We did end up with a few bruises...
I still have a small scar that was probably caused that night.
I think I may sue...
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Tribbledee Trubbledee
Llantrisant,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,781
Premier Member
Enthusiast
09 May 2008 11:45 |
Where there's blame etc.....
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 14,986
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
09 May 2008 12:10 |
oh we all so blameless.............................
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StumpyDave
Lincolnshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,458
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
09 May 2008 12:38 |
We've had bouncy castles for our 2 in the past. They usually resulted in at least one child either:
a bleeding
b bruised
c puking
d all of the above
Great fun when the kids went home and the adults could get on them. I don't think we'll bother having future parties at our place.
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~Fruity~
W London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,592
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
09 May 2008 12:42 |
When I heard this the other day I felt my blood boil, it makes me so sick people will go to these lengths just to put blame on someone else.
FFS the childs father was there, why wasn't HE watching his child or telling the older lads to get off, even if he wasn't hosting the party it only takes a bit of common sense to do.
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. Ash .
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,438
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
09 May 2008 13:40 |
Maybe I'm just cynical, but I could't help thinking - the kid ALREADY had aspergers....this was a nice convenient little episode in order to make some cash to take care of him.
Fruits - my thoughhts exactly - if the parents are there, THEY are responsible for their own kids - that's the way it works in my fucking garden anyway
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 Chizzle d'Chizzledom
I want my money back,
United Kingdom
Posts: 6,601
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
09 May 2008 15:52 |
[edited]:
If it was a public event where there was an entry fee to be paid then I could, to a small degree, understand it .... but at a Birthday Party with the kids parents in attendance makes it a complete joke.
No-one forced the parents to take the kids to the party nor to go on the Bouncy Castle did they?
Christ Alimighty, we'll all have to have a Risk Assessment undertaken in order to invite the neighbour round for a cup of tea soon .....
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SteveF
Portsmouth,
United Kingdom
Posts: 334
Tiger (01-06)
09 May 2008 16:01 |
Accidents happen - whatever the circumstances what is a shame is that the kid is hurt, where it all goes wrong is that the parents have to get someone to blame so they can get some money to look after a now disabled kid - there is no state help, if there was a fund then there would be no need to sue.
Pity all the poor guys with hire party inflatable businesses - just as the summer is coming - I bet loads of people will cancel.
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
Premier Member
Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
09 May 2008 16:03 |
Chizz:
Christ Alimighty, we'll all have to have a Risk Assessment undertaken in order to invite the neighbour round for a cup of tea soon ..... |
Kinell..... glad no-one was injured at the barbie on Sunday
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Andy Bastard
Droitwich,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,061
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Speed Triple (05->)
09 May 2008 16:32 |
Not physically anyway.  
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BM
Christchurch,
New Zealand
Posts: 3,186
Enthusiast
09 May 2008 18:33 |
When I was about 14 I worked a summer at Knowsley Safari Park. We were paid peanuts but I was saving for a field bike. Anyway, I worked the bouncy castle. Every day scally bastards would nip round the back and switch off the compressor. As soon as I went round to fix it, a dozen of the fuckers would pile on... They'd stab it sometimes too.
Injuries were common but we didn't have the same compensation culture then. People just took it in their stride.
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Barney
SouthWestThePoshBit,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,314
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
09 May 2008 19:06 |
[edited]:
As it stands at the moment you would have to stop your kids friends coming over to play because if anything happens while there at your house they will sue.
Like said already it's very sad what happened, but accidents happen it's a fact of life and its nobodies fault for christsake.
The thing, the suing parents don't realise at the moment is they will most likely be no better off as they will have to pay for the care now rather than getting it for free on the DHSS.
I have a mate who lost a son aged 12 in a quad bike accident at his son's friends farm the two lads were mucking about and lost control of the quad.
Dave my mate who lost his son went to the devastated friends family and told them he didn't blame them, as it might have been their son who died, the thought of legal action never even entered his head and had he been contacted by a no win no fee lawyer he would have beat the living crap out of him.
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
09 May 2008 19:20 |
This is a VERY sad case (and a one in a million).
You have to feel for the lad who is now Brain Damaged. Do I blame his parents for getting as much money as possible to care for thier son? NO!
They used the system, The fact that the system is wrong is not thier fault, Its everyones (You and me for putting up with this nonsense).
I suspect I may have done the same in thier position. Why rely on the NHS (Which is a joke) when proper medical care and support is just but a law suit away?
I don't have any answers, just playing "Devils Advocate"
 
I now assume that the tradition that is "Scroppers "Bouncy castle" will now not take place 
I mean, Where will Narna and myself indulge now in our annual drunken ritual
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Short Legs Robert
Surrey,
United Kingdom
Posts: 195
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
09 May 2008 20:29 |
got to disagree
If a car hit your brand new bike whilst the bike was park and wrote it off, would you claim off the other guys insurance for a new bike or say never mind it was an accident?
What would give this lad a better quality of life, 1 million pounds from an insurance company, or his parents paying for the rest of his life and money from the tax payer?
One of the reasons you have house insurance as it should cover you for public liability. You are responsible for anyone who enters your house or grounds for there safety. Exactly the same as an employer. If the person who hired the bouncy castle was not negligent in supervising the children then there would be no case to answer. The fact is they left it unattended and a child got seriously injured. They failed to act responsibly. A lesson to us all.
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
09 May 2008 20:37 |
Rob:
If a car hit your brand new bike whilst the bike was park and wrote it off, would you claim off the other guys insurance for a new bike or say never mind it was an accident? |
Mmm, The guilty party should pay!!!
Rob:
What would give this lad a better quality of life, 1 million pounds from an insurance company, or his parents paying for the rest of his life and money from the tax payer? |
As a parent, I'd vote for the £1,000,000 payout every time (or am I missing your point)
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Short Legs Robert
Surrey,
United Kingdom
Posts: 195
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
09 May 2008 20:45 |
That was my point Riggsy!
I think everyone was missing the point about compensation. What gets me angry is when someone rich wins a libel case and gets £1,000,000 for hurt feelings. Not a claim for serious injury.
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CM
Virginia,
USA
Posts: 45
Enthusiast
09 May 2008 20:55 |
[edited]: You're all missing the point
This is not a situation that's as cut and dried as you're all making it out to be, and it's got nothing to do with "compensation culture". The fact that it was nobody's fault has nothing to do with it.
The kid had a traumatic brain injury and now needs 24/7 care. Someone has to pay for that. (And I'm sensing that most people here don't have any idea how expensive that kind of care is.) Either (i) the government pays, and you all end up paying through your taxes, or (ii) the injured kid's parents sue the homeowner and have the insurance company pay.
I'd pick (ii) any day of the week.
Typically, in these types of situations, the homeowner may actually suggest that the injured person make a claim against their homeowner's insurance. The insurance company pays the legal fees, pays the payout, and everyone is happy. The kid gets the care he needs and the homeowner's civil liability disappears. The kid's parents and the homeowner are still friends. And we're all happy because we don't pay for this kid through our taxes. The only possible detriment to the homeowner is that they may lose their general liability coverage. Big deal.
People carry insurance to cover situations like this. Otherwise, what's the point of paying the insurance company each month?
This whole story is very, very common, although perhaps not at the million pound level.
Now, if the kid got a million pounds because he got kicked in the head and there was no lasting damage, that's compensation culture at work. But compensating someone whose life is screwed up and who must now pay for expensive care isn't a bad result.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,029
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Daytona 955i (04->)
09 May 2008 21:00 |
Quote:
The judge said he found it probable that Mrs Perry did give Sam permission to use the castle but that the level of supervision was inadequate.
He gave the Perrys permission to appeal because of the ruling's "potential significance" to anyone operating inflatable equipment. |
The first point is very pertinent to the ruling and the second point has been conveniently ignored by all the 'compensation culture gone mad' people
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
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Daytona 955i (02)
09 May 2008 21:13 |
Totally agree CM, And that is the crux of the issue.
What is a valid claim for an innocent who may need intensive care for the rest of his/her life, and those who out to defraud the system for thier own gain.
In the case above I sympathise for the family and the lad involved, however, 20 years ago it would have been seen as "one of those things"
I'm not saying that this is right, (I personally believe a real world settlement is somewhere in-between), just pointing out where the UK perspective has come from.
We (in the UK) now have a system (largely based on the US "Compo-Culture") where other claims are given payouts which defy "common sense".
Sometimes shit happens, No one is to blame and you should just accept it and put it down to "life experience"
Unfortunately, we find our selves in an environment where "someone has to pay" which is both sad and (imho) very dangerous.
I'm not saying I have the answers but you don't have to be a qualified mechanic to be able to recognise when your bike is running like shit
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
09 May 2008 21:14 |
PS:
Sorry about droning on a bit but I'm on the beer don't you know
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,029
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
09 May 2008 21:15 |
Well it is Friday after all 
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snapper
Cumbria,
United Kingdom
Posts: 183
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Daytona 955i (02)
09 May 2008 21:45 |
Can see all sides of this and if you were his parents you would want all the help you could get. But it really worries me that the result of cases like these is that my lad is going to spend his childhood in a paranoid sanitised environment.
I remember going swimming with my amazing head teacher at primary school, not just in the local pool but in the River Kent! We were 10. Also the fantastic D of E expeditions at secondary school that had a huge impact on me, a group of 4 lads being left to camp wild on a mountain without supervision was fantastic and really taught us about responsibility and self reliance, we liked our teachers and there was genuine mutual respect. By the way I'm 29 so it's not that long ago.
Another case on the beeb site today about teachers or supervisors being charged under a section of the Health and Safety at Work Act after a pupil jumped over a gorge and fell, don't know the details so can't really say but if the pupil did it off their own back then it seems hard on the staff involved and will surely further discourage teachers from organising such valuable experiences for pupils.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,817
Enthusiast
10 May 2008 03:21 |
I don't see the issue here at all, the child was injured at another childs home and the claim for compensation was made against the insurance company insuring the householder against injuries that occur on their property.
It has nothing at all to do with compo culture, I think those people might be referring to those who trip over a crack in the pavement and want £20,000 for it.
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BM
Christchurch,
New Zealand
Posts: 3,186
Enthusiast
10 May 2008 11:28 |
Snapper: Another case on the beeb site today about teachers or supervisors being charged under a section of the Health and Safety at Work Act ... will surely further discourage teachers from organising such valuable experiences for pupils.
We're largely already at that point. I won't get involved in any such activities - risk assessment or not.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,817
Enthusiast
10 May 2008 11:47 |
Yes it is slowly but surely putting an end to just about any activities for pupils.
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BM
Christchurch,
New Zealand
Posts: 3,186
Enthusiast
10 May 2008 11:58 |
I know. Before you know it, parents will have to start doing things with their kids! The very idea...
Off the subject but saw an article on the news about a school reading scheme for little kids. Seems it's working wonders with them but it's expensive because of the staff / pupil ratio. They interviewed one mother who was worried about the scheme coming to an end and I thought, well, how much reading are YOU doing with your kids y' fuckin' chav!
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
10 May 2008 12:06 |
Absolutely BM....I only see my little boy for 8 hrs a week (1 day at a w/end but I always make sure that I read a book with him) Very important I feel.
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Narna
In a tent on Eigg,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,190
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
10 May 2008 12:19 |
SP:
Absolutely BM....I only see my little boy for 8 hrs a week (1 day at a w/end but I always make sure that I read a book with him) Very important I feel. |
.....and are you starting to see the benifits of him reading with you or are you still struggling once you try on your own.....
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maximus vegetatorus
sussex,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,176
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
10 May 2008 12:22 |
narna,
you cunt. just choked on a bacon buttie
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
10 May 2008 12:49 |
Narna you are a truly horrible old bastid!!
...still had to laugh tho`....
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,817
Enthusiast
10 May 2008 22:54 |
BM, I put down the fact that our boys are top of their class to us reading and writing with them and being involved in everything they do. It's funny that you can almost tell which kids have little interaction with their parents, we do the kids reading books in their class and some of them are on level 3 reading whereas both of ours are 16. That isn't a boast but rather to demonstrate how we as parents are just as responsible for educating our children as schools are, probably more so.
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
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Daytona 955i (02)
11 May 2008 20:02 |
SpondonHat, Is this the first time we've agreed on anything?
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,817
Enthusiast
12 May 2008 00:39 |
No I think it has happened before.
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