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StuB
Bikeless in Limassol,
Cyprus
Posts: 3,686
Enthusiast
13 Jul 2004 15:18 |
ATTENTION 02> 955iengines
Is anybody else experiencing a weep of oil from the front right of the head gasket, around the area of the camchain tunnel. The oil just smears down the front of the engine (to no great degree, but enough to annoy me) it collects amongst the webs of alloy on the crankcase forming a pool that is clearly visible through the largest hole in the right hand fairing. On a Daytona it's easily visible but probably less noticeable on a S3 due to the black engine finish.
I went in to Lilleys and looked around their used stock,of the 6 bikes with this engine 4 had a definite leak. (The caspian blue DSSA was p!ss!ng oil out of it's head gasket, all up the side of the engine)
My bike is now on its 3rd head gasket in 12 months and 10000 miles.
Please post a reply if you too are suffering with HEAD GASKET leaks, (I've already had the output shaft seal and clutch cover gasket dealt with before)
Is my bike a Monday morning/Friday afternoon job or is this problem prevalent throughout?
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stooz
lower midlands,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,114
Premier Member
Enthusiast
14 Jul 2004 11:01 |
can't say Ive noticed anything like that stu, I will have to check! Im on 12000 with no head gaskets..
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Bluedogz
Havre de Grace, MD,
USA
Posts: 4,291
Premier Member
Enthusiast
15 Jul 2004 16:11 |
Hmmm- I'll start looking. I wash the bike so often that I'd hardly notice.....
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_Rs-Daz_
Rubery,Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 205
Sprint RS (02-05)
16 Jul 2004 18:06 |
I had my head gasket replace at 4000 miles. Now at 8500 with no oil leak.
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,455
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
19 Jul 2004 12:32 |
Had mine done at about 10k, just inside warranty. Was told to keep an eye on it as if it wasn't fixed, it could be a warped head - there have been some apparently. Seems ok so far at 12.5k, so hopefully all's well.
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Andrew Gautier
Adelaide,
Australia
Posts: 18
Daytona 955i (02)
01 Aug 2004 04:25 |
Head gasket leak
Seems like not such a rare problem. Noticed the oil leaking out of my '02 Daytona (10,000 kms) in the same place around the head, only after removing the fairing last couple of months. Bike went out of warranty in May. Also have the oil leak on the sidestand side. After asking at my local dealer here in Adlelaide, took the bike in and they sent a fax to Triumph UK. Couple of weeks went passed and no reply. Then i had the message that they would not fix due to being out of warranty. The workshop manager of at the dealers' pushed the issue with Triumph and we took some nice close-up shots with a digi camera of the oil running down the block. The bike went in yesterday for a free fix!!!! Though on the way to the dealers shop, the bike kept stalling below 2000 revs. Will make another post on this thread when I get the bike back next week!
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DAF
Northampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 322
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
03 Aug 2004 10:15 |
I noticed mine was weeping at around 2500 miles but everything seems to have been OK ever since. Now just gone past 10000 miles.
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Anonymous Bodge
Shepperton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 394
Premier Member
Tiger 1050 (07->)
04 Aug 2004 00:11 |
I’m getting really worried now. Almost 12000 miles and no oil leaks from the head gasket, clutch cover or gearbox output shaft. No broken fuel connectors. No dodgy clutch cable or gearbox problems. No MIL, ECU, electrical or wiring problems. In fact, no problems apart from one front wheel bearing gone and some minor oil leaks from engine covers because fasteners were loose, all easily identified and fixed by me.
I haven’t even needed to adjust the chain (thank you Scottoiler).
Damn. I’ve got a Friday afternoon bike.
It’s going to blow up in a serious fashion, I just know it; rods through the cases, dropped valves, snapped camchain, big ends gone small, small ends gone big, warped or perverted crank…….
I won’t be able to sleep tonight.
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Goldviking
North-Jutland,
Denmark
Posts: 1,364
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
04 Aug 2004 00:16 |
Don't worry.... just put a little petrol and oil in it and it will soon leak...... I think.
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Andrew Gautier
Adelaide,
Australia
Posts: 18
Daytona 955i (02)
19 Aug 2004 12:47 |
Bloody oil leak again!
Had the bike back today. Head gasket changed, oil seal on output shaft changed, shims done, and recall fuel line connectors changed. Took the day off to get the bike, picked it up, went for a spin, got home and oil down the front of the motor in the same place!!! Guess it's back to the dealer.
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StuB
Bikeless in Limassol,
Cyprus
Posts: 3,686
Enthusiast
24 Aug 2004 10:41 |
Hmmmmm, it seems I wasn't alone with this weeping gasket........
Well basically the head gasket has been replaced and so far (only 500 miles - touch wood) she's now oil tight.
One thing I did notice was that when the bike went in for Gasket #2 they only had the bike on the bench for 4 hours. (which I now know is nowhere near long enough to do the amount of work required properly) Then when it started weeping thereafter 1 mechanic at this dealership told me to wash it as it could be residual, 1 wash and 1500 miles later still weeping. Still annoyed I burnt my bridges with dealership #1 as I wasn't interested in them and they certainly weren't interested in me.
Another junior mechanic (New dealership, smaller - more personal) went as far as booking the bike in for the 'head to be torqued down again'.
On presenting the bike for retorquing the 'more senior' mechanic was bemused by this response and put it quite bluntly and to the point that this would take all day (engine out to get at all the bolts) and would achieve feck all.
After heated debate between Senior Mechanic/Me/Triumph Warranty Dept. I got issued an 04 press bike, Triumph spoke to the monkey, bike got fixed up properly  .
The moral of this story children is to be a stubborn little fecker and never let the service provider have the last word in any conversations.
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Andrew Gautier
Adelaide,
Australia
Posts: 18
Daytona 955i (02)
24 Aug 2004 13:44 |
Hole
After another cleaning of the front of the motor, with a small mirror on a bendy stalk and a Maglight, I found a small hole! Following the channel in the casing, back from the rad/oil cooler bracket bolt, cam chain side of the motor, second step up in the case near the back I found a small hole, while warming up the motor. The hole is the size of a ball point pen point. Now waiting for the dealer to get a response from Triumph again. Probably would'nt be a bad idea for anybody that's had the oil leak to take a really good look in the same place, just in case it's not the head gasket!
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Nick
Out in the garage,
United Kingdom
Posts: 6,160
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
24 Aug 2004 14:15 |
Andrew, Been there! My bike had a porous cylinder head casting that was replaced under warranty.
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 Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,708
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
29 Aug 2004 12:53 |
Why didn't they fix it?
In the factory manual for my Moto Guzzi, they go into depth on how to fix porousity in castings, clean the casting, submerge in water, pressurise to 3psi etc.
Their "Fix" - 2 part Araldite!
In fact, when I removed the timing chain and replaced it with gears, all the blind bolt holes had a dob of Araldite on them to seal them!
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Spotty41
Concrete Cow Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 268
Sprint RS (02-05)
21 Sep 2004 10:27 |
Bugger
I've noticed an oil leak in exactly the same place on my RS 
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,708
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
22 Sep 2004 00:18 |
Just been to my local dealer today for a 6K miles (10K kms) service + Alarm fitted + recall "Fuel Fittings" - all done - it's good to be back in the UK with full dealer service (Friends!)
Whilst there I saw a T955i Daytona engine on the bench - cylinder head needed "Facing" as it was out of true - done locally - good job!
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StuB
Bikeless in Limassol,
Cyprus
Posts: 3,686
Enthusiast
10 May 2005 16:02 |
Well,
13200 miles and gasket #4 is on it's way... 
Definitely something wrong with the head. Apparently the new 1050 motor has a different kind of head gasket, might give one of them a go.
I'll keep you all updated as the repair develops.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
11 May 2005 11:12 |
It's about time they replaced the head 
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StuB
Bikeless in Limassol,
Cyprus
Posts: 3,686
Enthusiast
11 May 2005 11:53 |
Thought did cross my mind,
This is turning into a real dilemma, looks like the bike will be in the shop for at least 3 days, more if it wants a head.
Bike is my main form of transportation and the shop is 68 miles away. They will not collect the bike and I refuse to use public transport. ( I wouldn't have bought a bike if I was going to slum it with the gypsies/chavs on the bus). Stealers are not happy about giving me a bike whilst mine is in the workshop though, I say that they should provide regardless. I have other 'issues' with the shop over a recent transaction that are getting rectified so I think they owe me something.
Triumph provided a press bike last time the CE was in but they have none available at the minute. I've asked them to apply pressure to the dealer from above whilst I become a nuisance on the phone.
Do you think I've got grounds for hiring an equivalent bike?
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
11 May 2005 12:28 |
The repairing/supplying dealer has a 'duty of care' to look after you and your bike. "We haven't got a courtesy bike" is an excuse you often hear when they are trying to fob you off yet I bet they've got a range of Triumph financed demos in stock for you to ride. Ask the salesman what he is currently riding then tell him you'll take that and he can catch the fucking bus instead of you
Fucking dealers the more I hear the less I like em
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
11 May 2005 12:38 |
Many years ago 3x (than a Harley dealer) blew the motor up on my Heritage on a test ride after repair and I made them loan me a bike. All they had was a Ducati Monster 900 and I was despatching at the time on a TDM850. They kept my H-D for five weeks and I gave them their Monster back with 6000 more miles on it than when the gave me it 
Fuck em
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Spotty41
Concrete Cow Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 268
Sprint RS (02-05)
09 Jun 2005 14:31 |
When the RS was in for a service yesterday, the dealer raised the headgasket leak with Triumph warrenty dept, apparently he has to call them and wait for the ok.
I was told to change the head gasket is an engine out job, 12 hrs labour @£45ph
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
09 Jun 2005 18:53 |
Is this only a concern on 02my and up engines then ???
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
09 Jun 2005 18:58 |
My 02my Tiger is fine 
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StuB
Bikeless in Limassol,
Cyprus
Posts: 3,686
Enthusiast
14 Jun 2005 16:14 |
If the engine has the black finish it is definitely harder to spot. But I've seen some that are leaking.
I've given up looking at other folk's engines now as it seems the majority have the fault. I'd even started looking at 1050 ST's, the news isn't good. 4 or 5 well used examples were at the Ace on Sunday, 3 of them were leaking.
For those of you that are wondering where to look, the leak is on the right hand side of the engine, on the forward edge of the camchain tunnel, where the block meets the head. A greasy residue is often the only sign but on the worst examples a puddle of oil will form in the webs of the block castings.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
14 Jun 2005 18:10 |
Just checked again and still ok
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
14 Jun 2005 18:11 |
tick tick tick tick tick tick  BOOM
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Bluedogz
Havre de Grace, MD,
USA
Posts: 4,291
Premier Member
Enthusiast
15 Jun 2005 02:09 |
Maybe I should stop washing mine.
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Chris
New South Wales,
Australia
Posts: 29
Sprint ST (02-04)
07 Aug 2005 10:15 |
Head Gasket Leak
I have a March 05 build Sprint 955 (Same as 04).
Have been keeping an eye on the Cam Chain tunnel area around the Cyl head joint @ the front.
3738 KLM's the greasy smear is apparent. Also looks as though the bike is beginning to suffer from a leaky output shaft seal..
First brand new bike I have ever owned..
Bit dissapointing realy!!!
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Paolo
Kent,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,387
Premier Member
Enthusiast
09 Aug 2005 17:32 |
But don't all british bikes leak oil? I always thought it was a feature
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
09 Aug 2005 18:43 |
S'funny that's what some cnut said to me about my Rocket III 30 seconds before I rejected it
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,815
Premier Member
Speed Triple (95-96)
09 Aug 2005 18:46 |
It amazes me how the Hinckley factory still can't shake off the old bad image of oil leaks and quality control issues accepted as being part and parcel of the ownership experiance associated with the Meriden machines 
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Chris
New South Wales,
Australia
Posts: 29
Sprint ST (02-04)
11 Aug 2005 08:30 |
I don't accept oil leaks & lack of QC as part & parcel of the owning experience..
I also own a 31yr old Z1A 900 Kawasaki, not a drop do it leak...
As for the Sprint!!!!!!!!
I will be having the oil smear from the head gasket noted my the dealer..
I expect the output shaft oil seal to be dealt with post haste once they are aware of it in the very near future...
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,455
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
07 Dec 2006 09:39 |
On closer inspection my '06 bike has a completely new type of head gasket, some sort of metallic one? Looks lot more substantial than on my '02 bike that leaked slightly even after it was changed.
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