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BM
Isle of Man,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,821
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13 May 2008 13:59 |
Metzeler tyres are over doing a press launch for the Z6 tyre. There's about twenty riders blasting around the Island today and getting paid for it (jammy buggers). I didn't recognise anybody but am guessing some were well known as TV interviews were taking place. One Metzeler bloke I spoke to said he's off to the US next week as part of the continued marketing.
Some blokes have bloody good jobs 
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 May 2008 16:25 |
Being able to ride a bike well enough to take a tyre deep into its performance envelope knowing that nothing you're doing is influencing the tyre and be able to make an assessment and communicate your findings in such a way that the paying public won't detect the influence of the hospitality 'bribe'.
I guess
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
13 May 2008 17:40 |
hello droid, are you mending well
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BM
Isle of Man,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,821
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13 May 2008 17:51 |
So, you're saying I need talent and integrity?
Bugger...
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 May 2008 17:55 |
Hi tq, not too bad methinks. Off the painkillers now and doing more physio. Which as it happens has made my knee swell up like an orange!? It'll sort itself out I'm sure. Still can't put any weight on the leg till I get reviewed on the 22nd, then hopefully I'll be able to do more.
I've got someone booked in on a driving course on the 26th so I'd better be able to drive a car by then. NO PRESSURE !!
Thanks for asking. What you up to?
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 May 2008 17:58 |
Actually BM the less of the later you have the less of the former you need.
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
13 May 2008 21:33 |
droid, well just riding me bike, had new suspesion front n back last friday so just getting used to it, its all different so im enjoying trying to get back up to speed again
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 May 2008 23:31 |
Oh new suspenders tq! Very nice
What yer got now?
My ST needs replacements front and back real bad. The handling has gone off so bad it's not much fun to ride anymore; alright for taking in the scenery but rubbish when making progress.
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
14 May 2008 16:25 |
droid, have got an elka shock which i dought any one has heard of, seams very well made from canada. bike has changed in its handaling for the better, bearing in mind this is my humble opinion im no racer, oh and the fronts just internals hyperpro. Bit hard at the moment needs to settle then will get it tweeked abit, bloke set it up proper for my weight at jhs racing, and what a nice bloke he is
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 May 2008 18:18 |
Elka look good and no doubt better than OEM. I was recommended Hyperpro for a rear shock on my 595. As I've said on another thread; If your old shock is wearing out any of the dedicated shock companies will be able to supply better than OEM.
Don't know what went in to the front, MC Technics did it. They are all constant rate springs for my weight + gear, so racing only with that lot.
Fancy trying the Hyperpro progressives in the ST when I finally get to it. They reckon their road springs are the only properly progressive ones on the market. The other manufacturers actually make a 2 stage coil that they call progressive - So say Hyperpro. Is that what you got in yours?
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
14 May 2008 22:23 |
yep i have Hyperpro in the front, just came back from the ace was experimenting down the back roads, it tips in much faster must be carefull.
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 May 2008 23:35 |
The faster turn in is probably due to the way JHS has set the bike up rather than the fork internals. The way the bike is behaving mid corner over poor surfaces is what would interest me, I suppose you'll need to do a few miles before you'll know if you're happy with it.
Did you treat yerself to new tyres or are you on the same set?
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Ash (BlackBlade)
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,218
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Speed Triple (05->)
15 May 2008 08:05 |
Aren't progressive springs notoriously awkward to set up? IE the damping (due to the spring basically trying to do the work of the damping as well)?
Think mine needs setup a little better for the road - front is pretty stiff on mine also (front and rear in fact) - must get it sorted. Glad to hear you're having fun TQ Did you sort your tank scratches?
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
15 May 2008 08:22 |
Same tyres, yep your right not sure yet its so different, maybe still a bit too hard, but on the other hand have noticed i am as fast just smoother i think, the bloke said just come back will change it any way you like , because i was fairley confident on it before will take awhile to get back to it. 2just get on and ride it women"
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 706
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
15 May 2008 16:06 |
Yes tq, I often advise my pupils to slow down in order to analyse their technique, so "just get on and ride it" is pretty good advice to give yourself if that's interpreted as 'relax and ride like normal, maybe 10% slower to give yourself a chance to think about the way the bike is now behaving.'
Ash. Suspension is nearly Voodo to me, never mind a black art as some call it. Having said that I do understand the principles but the practice of adjustment I leave to the Witchdoc...er expert.
...but you are right about progressive springs making set up difficult, I would say more so with a 2 stage winding. Progressive springs are all about compromise which is what it's all about, especially given british terrain. Fine settings on road bikes are bullshit really - case in point - Street Triple.
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triple queen aka tq
OXFORDSHIRE,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,920
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Speed Triple (05->)
15 May 2008 16:53 |
Thanks droid will slow up a bit this week end, not that im a mad balls out type rider any how, i like buggering about trying to improve my rideing something to look forward to this weekend and keeps me out the fridge and pub
Ash, got some scratch stuff, havent used it yet
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,516
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 May 2008 17:33 |
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Metzeler tyres are over doing a press launch for the Z6 tyre. |
If its not a daft question, why would they be doing a press launch for a tyre that is years old?
I used to have Metzler Z6 tyres on my CBR and I havent had that for almost three years now. So its not like they are a new tyre on the market?
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BM
Isle of Man,
United Kingdom
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15 May 2008 17:35 |
No. I wondered that. This may be a new version. They'd certainly gone to a lot of trouble over it anyway. Big range of bikes all fitted with the same tyre.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,516
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 May 2008 17:41 |
I wonder if they have changed the tread pattern which was the bugbear of the Z6.
They are pretty much identical in profile and compound to the Pirelli equivelant with the only difference I ever found being the tread pattern.
The tread is not on the centre third of the rear tyre at all which means in the wet the back can be a bit slippy. But the biggest problem I found with them was the fact that due to the tread pattern not extending over the middle third of the rear, there are no wear indicators to show when the rubber is getting thin.
Its not uncommon for a rear Z6 to need a panic replacement after fabric appears on the centre line.
I took them off the CBR for that exact reason.
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BM
Isle of Man,
United Kingdom
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15 May 2008 19:39 |
[edited]:
Really?! Don't know but I suppose all those press chaps will have the details in the mags shortly.
I'm in the market for tyres for the Guzzi and want something that'll stick ok but last (doesn't everybody though).
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Ash (BlackBlade)
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,218
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Speed Triple (05->)
15 May 2008 21:35 |
Quote:
They are pretty much identical in profile and compound to the Pirelli equivelant with the only difference I ever found being the tread pattern.
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'tis indeed the only difference, bar the name - they are both made in exactly the same factory
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BM
Isle of Man,
United Kingdom
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15 May 2008 21:47 |
Funny you should say that. The marketing bloke I was talking to (from the US) gave me his card and I was surprised to see it said 'Pirelli Tire North America - Motorcycle Division'.
By the way, is there much of a price difference?
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Ash (BlackBlade)
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,218
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Speed Triple (05->)
15 May 2008 21:49 |
[edited]:
No eyed deer I use Metzeler on the trackbike - never bothered with Pirelli apart from one stint on the TL a few years back - I imagine they're if not identical for each model [price] then as near as dammit
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,274
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Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
15 May 2008 22:19 |
Got Metzelers on my old Guzzi - always worked well!
I screwed a Pirelli rear in 2K miles ...................never again!
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,516
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 May 2008 22:26 |
That statement doesnt make sense but does show the power of how we percieve products when you consider that the Metzler range and the Pirelli range are the same compounds, with the same profiles, made by the same company in the same factory and come off the same production lines and the only difference is the tread pattern and that is very similar.
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,274
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Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
15 May 2008 22:28 |
[edited]:
Possibly my Pirelli was when they were separate, as I've had the Guzzi 28 years!!
Been running Metzelers on it since the mid '80's
Bloody hell, that's a long time ago???
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