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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
09 Dec 2007 20:16 |
I have come across a bike with a Harris frame and a Triumph Speedtriple engine. The frame is a one off trellis type frame (Ducati 916). The frame number is a Harris frame number and the paperwork suggests it is a factory prototype. There is also a Motorcycle News article showing the bike and linking it to the Triumph factory about 1992-93. Can anyone help identify it?
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
09 Dec 2007 20:45 |
OK Updated Info. Under the tank there were quick release fittings that have now been removed and the holes welded up. There are Nissin 4 pots on the bike with brand new 6 pots that have never been fitted. The fork yolks are adjustable with Suzuki GSXR upside downs. Ohlin rear shock. Harris tank and rear sets. No vin tag just a number in the headstock. The frame is not a stock Harris item and phone calls suggest there were only 3 of these made. 2 of which were destryed by the factory.
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jimmyj
South Wales,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,829
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Daytona 955i (04->)
10 Dec 2007 08:32 |
Chris - Want to sell it?
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 Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
10 Dec 2007 12:52 |
I've seen that picture before amd I'm sure that's factory mule bike for the T300 Speed triple
I'll buy it if it's for sale 
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
10 Dec 2007 13:58 |
Not sure as yet its for sale but, the owner said it was some sort of factory prototype. I was wondering if it was genuine or some sort of BS. Seems the paperwork he showed me stacks up.
What is the connection with Harris if any?
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
10 Dec 2007 15:37 |
The frame came with no numbers at all. Harris at some point stamped a frame number into it and a certificate from Harris confirms this. The article from MCN says that Triumphs bosses were not best pleased that one of the prototypes had made it out "the back door". Present owner says he had a job getting it registered and road legal as there were objections from Triumph.
" seperate police forces inspected the bike to make sure it wasnt stolen. It appears that the bike was sent out by mistake with competitor vehicles and should have been scrapped.
Phone calls to Triumph seem to be met with its impossible, to it shoulnt have got out and also stoney silence.
What the f*** is this bike? Harris deny all knowledge of its existence but have signed a certificate.
Plot thickens! Some one please help?
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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Enthusiast
10 Dec 2007 16:39 |
it looks a bit like the T300 (?) racer that I have seen once (and raced against). Fuck off fast it was too cos it weighed next to nowt compared to the T595. Also the racer had a dummy tank that held the air box with a fuck off big ram air system that came in over the top of the top yolk.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
10 Dec 2007 19:38 |
Chris:
What the f*** is this bike? Harris deny all knowledge of its existence but have signed a certificate.
Plot thickens! Some one please help? |
I thought I had when I typed
Chunky Chappie:
I've seen that picture before amd I'm sure that's factory mule bike for the T300 Speed triple |
 
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
10 Dec 2007 23:41 |
Chunky Cherub, Whats a mule? Is that like a prototype? You got any more details on this T300 mule theory. Would it have had fuel injection on it at some time then? How is it related to the 509/595? It looks similar in the MCN article.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Dec 2007 00:17 |
Chris. a mule is a test bed for bits and pieces and is not intended to become a production model. A prototype is a bike intended for production,, but it doesn't mean it will make it into production
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 12:16 |
Blizzard, thanx for that info. The guy who owns the bike says there was a lot of controversy at the time with this bike. Seems he might be telling the truth then as regards "factory prototypes", mules and the like. The bike is very heavy and the frame is a very well made but heavy steel item.
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DOM
Lancashire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 944
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Dec 2007 13:36 |
C'mon Chris,
How much is he asking for it????
Are you seriously considering buying it??
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 31,217
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
11 Dec 2007 14:23 |
Dump the fairing, get the chassis nickel plated, add a Street fighter top yoke, high level or a stubby can and you'd have a helluva bike.....
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 14:59 |
He now wants to sell it. Doing a deal on this at the weekend.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:01 |
Is it on 'Q' plate ???
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:03 |
No, its "L" reg,
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:04 |
Interesting .................. an age related plate 
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:09 |
BL:
Dump the fairing, get the chassis nickel plated, add a Street fighter top yoke, high level or a stubby can and you'd have a helluva bike..... |
WTF ??? I'd do nothing but leave it as it is
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:09 |
Yes, theres a folder full of info with the bike, stacks of pictures during its build. Seems it started as a rolling chassis all it needed was an engine and a seat
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:11 |
The T300 series Speed Triple came out with a black motor in 94 yet it seems that this bike predates that
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:14 |
any ideas / thoughts of its significance? Pipes were made by Harris too btw.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:15 |
So according to MCN then it was the frame that was being tested prior to the factory boys coming up with the T509/T595 in 97
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 31,217
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
11 Dec 2007 15:17 |
Leave it then.... a piece of history....!
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
11 Dec 2007 15:18 |
[edited]:
A clean stock T300 series Speed Triple like this one is worth £2k plus all day long so I would value the 'Secret Triumph' about the same money
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jimmyj
South Wales,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Dec 2007 15:19 |
Photo Album Image
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jimmyj
South Wales,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Dec 2007 15:19 |
Snap!
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:23 |
yes, thats what MCN say. I have spoken to Harris and at first they denied its existence. Then the owner emailed pictures of the bike and the certificate and also reminded them of his visit to the old factory when he had the pipes made. It caused them to flap when the bike showed up on the trailer, but they made the exhaust for it and stamped a number into the frame. A frame builder at Harris recollects building 3 frames from Triumph drawings, which confirms the Triumph scource saying 3 bikes were built for "evaluation and 2 were destroyed the 3rd was dismantled.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:25 |
Just had a look at the National Bike Museum website and an old article about the Triumph Quadrant, interesting reading
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ST2
M3 / J3,
United Kingdom
Posts: 11,528
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
11 Dec 2007 15:35 |
99% deffo same bike - down to bits tied on to subframe .....
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:52 |
ST, where did you see this bike?
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ST2
M3 / J3,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
11 Dec 2007 15:53 |
just comparing your avatar pic with Pauls MCN pic ..... sorry !
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
11 Dec 2007 15:56 |
No worries, no reference to the bike museum.........But I checked the bike with the article and its deffo the same one
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 09:16 |
Anyone tell me who/where I can get tuning mods for the T300 Triumph?
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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12 Dec 2007 11:09 |
fuck that, rip the T300 engine out and get a 2002> 147bhp motor in there.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 11:30 |
You reckon it'l fit? Its a big old hole to fill.
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 31,217
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Dec 2007 12:45 |
Thats what Fret says down the docks every night
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 13:01 |
Just get some engine plates machined to fit if it doesn't quite line up. I bet it will slot straight in.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 13:58 |
Dimensionally is the later motor somewhat smaller? What are the bhp outputs for each of the motors?
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
12 Dec 2007 14:31 |
Tony:
fuck that, rip the T300 engine out and get a 2002> 147bhp motor in there. |
Why ??? If you want more power surely a 1200 4 cylinder Daytona motor would be the one to go for Cheaper than 955 and a more straight forward transplant me thinks \49
Personally I'd leave the bike as is
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 15:19 |
Chunky Cherub, your right,
I would prefer to leave it the way it is now. Squeeze a few more ponies out of it and make it look a little prettier but keep all the original features as they are.
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 31,217
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Dec 2007 16:15 |
I'd still nickel plate the chassis tho'.....
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
12 Dec 2007 16:27 |
Was thinking on the lines of;
Polished and laquered tank, BRG frame, union Jack Red white and blue on fairing and seat. Polished wheels.
Any suggestions ??
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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12 Dec 2007 17:26 |
T300 motor 100rwhp compared to t955i motor 130rwhp not trouble. 30 bhp is a lot btw.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 07:59 |
Engine mounting points the same? I can make up plates and spacers but how similar are they dimensionally?
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,835
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 08:10 |
I wouldn't touch it, leave it the way it is, it's one out 3 bikes ever made ! you'd be mad to do anything to it... IMO
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 08:42 |
Point taken on board Erick, and you are right, just make it a little prettier and leave it as it is 
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,339
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Sprint ST (05->)
13 Dec 2007 10:01 |
"...the Triumph scource saying 3 bikes were built for "evaluation and 2 were destroyed the 3rd was dismantled."
If that's correct it might be the only one.
Leave it as it is, just tidy it up and enjoy
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SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 10:37 |
It would be worth considerably more than a Speed Triple, leave it exactly as it was when it was first put together or as close as you can assertain.
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 10:51 |
I would suspect that it has ahem been modified quite a lot already as it is a triumph.....
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SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 10:57 |
Yes people do like to personalise their Triumphs, one of the things I love about them.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 14:14 |
The good folk of T595net have convinced me to clean it up tidy it and leave it alone
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 14:14 |
You know it makes sense
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 14:15 |
So ....................... How much are you paying for it ???
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 14:17 |
£1800.00 and an old GSXR 1100 I gave £500 for.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 14:19 |
So about the same as a proper Speed Triple then
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 14:22 |
Harris frame kits are £3,000 plus, Speed Triples they made lots of and the value is still going down (pity as they are a decent bike) and this is the only one. Check out the Quadrant at the bike museum. Insurance value after the fire £250,000.
So, No not really, just a good deal I think.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 14:48 |
Chris:
£1800.00 and an old GSXR 1100 I gave £500 for |
£1800 plus £500 = £2300 = about the same as a proper Speed Triple
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 14:50 |
Chris:
Check out the Quadrant at the bike museum. Insurance value after the fire £250,000.
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Sorry Chris but you can't compare the 'Quadrant' to the Mystery Bike
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 15:22 |
Lets assume I got my sums wrong, or I was lied to by the bike museum, and lets say only 1/10th is the true value, who cares...
At the BMF rally there wont be another one in the parking lot.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 15:51 |
Brainwave, I could chop it, put a Harley motor in it with a 27 Deg rake 300 rear wheel, with a 21" front,
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
13 Dec 2007 18:14 |
but we'd all have to come round and lynch you if you did
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 18:50 |
Well I'm only down the M69, and my house is the one with the Triumph chop outside
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 18:53 |
anyways blizzard, just noticed. you wont have time to lynch me. With 19,000 posts. You probably forgot where the M69 is
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OggyKnobbs ©
CHAMPIONS,
United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
13 Dec 2007 19:27 |
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
13 Dec 2007 19:31 |
Chris:
anyways blizzard, just noticed. you wont have time to lynch me. With 19,000 posts. You probably forgot where the M69 is |
That maybe true but having an 'in' at the factory means Blizz could send the Hinckley Mafia round to your gaff and redecorate your back passage
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 19:42 |
cool, can I have magnolia pleeze
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
13 Dec 2007 20:33 |
I know where the M69 is and it's great as all the smelly cars go along it while I sneak up the B-road on the bike
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
13 Dec 2007 20:34 |
[edited]:
P.S. I'll want so pics of it somewhere scenic for the 2009 t595.net calendar
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SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 21:04 |
That's a very good price for a bike with significant history, no point comparing it to a Speed Triple as it isn't one. Well done I would have snapped it up for that.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 21:14 |
[edited]:
Thanx for the compliments, when I first saw it I thought it was a home built special too. I did some digging asked lots of questions and generally was a pain in the arse, but, you got to take your chances when they come up. I love the bike just got to get it sorted now.
Blizzard, send me an email address and I'll get you some decent pictures, before and after. You tell me and I will sort it.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
13 Dec 2007 21:23 |
Blizzard, I read in one of the posts you have an "In" at the factory. Is that the case?
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
14 Dec 2007 07:50 |
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 11:16 |
kin silence all of a sudden! Did I say something wrong?
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
14 Dec 2007 12:28 |
I know several people who work there that's all
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 12:30 |
s'ok it wasn't about that. Pictures for you thats all mate.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 12:31 |
I am about to leave work and I work in Coventry was wondering how to hook up, email? mobile? a cafe in Cov?
Leave it up to you mate.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
14 Dec 2007 12:33 |
It's pics like this I'm after
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
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14 Dec 2007 12:39 |
OK Blizzard got your drift. The bikes a non runner now so, when its sorted I will get in touch and meet up. I'l take some trick pictures of it for you or when I come to work on the bike (spring / summer) I'l let you know then you can bring your camera and take the pictures you want. How does that sound?
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
14 Dec 2007 17:30 |
Normally everyone takes their own pics and submits them for the calendar so as long as they are good enough the will be in the calendar as rare bikes are almost guaranteed to get in.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 17:32 |
OK Blizzard, got the idea now. What about becoming a member of this league of gentlemen?
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
14 Dec 2007 17:43 |
It's simple:
take some scenic photos and then let me know and I'll give you an e-mail address to send them to.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 18:35 |
OK, ta very much for the info
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 19:06 |
New picture posted in my album of the "Mule"
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,379
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14 Dec 2007 19:14 |
916 tailpeice eh....
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
14 Dec 2007 19:17 |
[edited]:
Yeah, thats what it has on at the moment, the seat that came with the bike according to the 1994 pictures was stuck on with gaffer tape. Not sure yet about this Duke seat.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
17 Dec 2007 16:16 |
It will stay faithful to its origins but refined slighty.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
18 Dec 2007 18:34 |
Hello peeps,
can anyone tell me how do you keep polished ally a polished finish? Dont want to paint the tank as it looks great au naturelle.
Suggestions anyone?
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ST2
M3 / J3,
United Kingdom
Posts: 11,528
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
18 Dec 2007 18:39 |
elbow grease mate - otherwise its some sort of laquer coat which yellows gradually ....
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 36,241
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
18 Dec 2007 18:54 |
I knowwhat it is.
The new 1050 Daytona.
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Steve Phillips RaceComp
Adelaide,
Australia
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Speed Triple (05->)
18 Dec 2007 20:11 |
It's not this one then?
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
19 Dec 2007 14:48 |
No its not but it looks similar. What frame is that?
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 26,813
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Speed Triple (95-96)
19 Dec 2007 15:13 |
That's an interesting photograph and very close (apart from the frame) to the finished article
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
19 Dec 2007 18:21 |
Is it a Ducatumph?
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Reg
Sao Paulo,
Brazil
Posts: 868
Enthusiast
19 Dec 2007 23:06 |
The actual final product was far, far more visually appealling.
Confirms to me the Big T did a great job hence the success of the S3!
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
20 Dec 2007 13:08 |
Looks like a Ducati very interesting bike well put together
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Matt Ferreira
London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 12
Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
07 Jan 2008 02:08 |
Nice bike Steve.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
08 Jan 2008 00:19 |
Cool ride you got there Steve
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,129
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
16 Jan 2008 14:26 |
So did you go to MCN or did they aproach you for todays article ?
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Barney
South West,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,509
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Sprint ST (05->)
16 Jan 2008 17:22 |
Bike, in MCN or other national bike publication it's drinkies all round I believe
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Jan 2008 17:42 |
Pump
if you mean this
http://www.motorcyclenews.....hruxtongallery/
It's robnobrakes (see CLassic section for more details)
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
16 Jan 2008 17:52 |
[edited]:
No I mean the prototype bike this thread is all about. Its got a page in MCN today on page 15 with the history of the bike and some of its back ground about how it came to be registered with its first owner.
Title of the article is "Triumphs forgotten Daytona prototype back on the road."
Cant really get them mixed up...
Id scan it if I had a scanner.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Jan 2008 18:07 |
Haven't got it this week.
So that's two reasons to buy it this week
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Jan 2008 19:07 |
got it and it looks like Chris will be buying the shandies 
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
16 Jan 2008 20:22 |
Mine's a beer then..... !!!
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
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17 Jan 2008 07:59 |
any chance for a scan ?
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
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18 Jan 2008 11:29 |
Drinks all round and am waiting for the poo to hit the fan!
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
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Sprint ST (05->)
18 Jan 2008 12:48 |
Don't suppose anyone at Hinckley reads MCN
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
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18 Jan 2008 18:59 |
Dont suppose I really care either
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GeoffE
London,
United Kingdom
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Sprint 900 (95-97)
19 Jan 2008 15:40 |
Hi Junk Maile,
I have just seen this post and recall some information that may be relevant/of interest?
I saw a Triumph T595 prototype frame being sold on Ebay, about 3-4 years ago. It was Ducati'ish, but you could see how the production frame would have evolved with spars replaced the trellis work.
It may be that the present owner bought this frame off of Ebay?
There was some documentation and history mentioned in the Ebay sale, confirming it was a true factory prototype.
Best regards
Geoff
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
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19 Jan 2008 20:07 |
Hi Geoff,
The previous owner was the first registered owner of the bike and he told me it was advertised on ebay about 2=3 years ago. Apparently there was no interest in the bike and it never was sold. Seems that possibly no one believed it could be a factory prototype as it would be difficult to prove its pedigree. I must admit that when I saw it I had no doubt there was something different about it. I have carried out my own extensive investigations and its 100% the genuine article. I have spoken to Harris and they said they had knowlegde of its existence but wouldnt comment further. Triumph, were just being Triumph when I called them. Bit of a shame really as its part of their history and heritage too.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
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22 Jan 2008 07:08 |
S'ok folks its going back to black. Not going to streetfighter it, customise it, just keep it as it is, but cleaner. Thanx for being helpful one and all.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
22 Jan 2008 10:49 |
Preserve and enjoy.
You can't replace a one-off.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
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22 Jan 2008 11:32 |
Cheers Rob, I will.
Getting the big clean up now and get it running at the week end. All looking good
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SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
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22 Jan 2008 21:11 |
Rob I agree, I have the Norton Ron Haslam rode at the British GP back in the early 90's and people have said to me that I should use it for track days Imagine dropping it and trying to replace the numerous one off parts.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
23 Jan 2008 12:37 |
Poof
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SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
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24 Jan 2008 10:15 |
That may be but I still wont risk it.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
24 Jan 2008 23:40 |
[edited]:
Spondonrat:
I have the Norton Ron Haslam rode at the British GP back in the early 90's |
You own this bike?
The famous JPS 588cc twin rotary (that was actually closer to 1176cc or 1764cc depending on how you worked it out, which was why it was so fast on the straights) that he rode in the british GP when he raced for Norton from 91?
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This bike was absolutly unique among the Norton rotary JPS bikes because it had a one off aluminium custom frame made by Harris performance specificly for Ron. I think if I recall correctly the engine was different too because unlike the other nortons it ran backwards and had a belt drive.
And you got your hands on this one off piece of history? Wow
How much did you pay for it?
It must be worth enough to retire on?
I used to dribble over this bike at the time. It was the Nortons that spiked my interest in gp races.
Pictures please ?
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
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25 Jan 2008 03:36 |
[edited]:
Yes I do indeed own that bike, the one in the top photo not the bottom one. The bottom one is a Spondon framed RCW588 as opposed to the Harris framed NRS588.
It's not entirely true that it had a one off frame, the team ran I think 3 bikes but mine is number 001 which was the one Ron rode at the GP. The frame is a totally fabricated alloy frame as opposed to the Spondon that uses extruded beams.
The engine does run backwards but that was the same as the road going F1 engine. It does use a belt drive and a slipper clutch.
I actually bought it as a complete kit of parts from a few different sources and I am in the long slow process of restoring it to it's former glory.
I didn't pay what it was worth but it's irrelevant as I wont ever sell it.
Bugger I just gave away my alter ego
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,835
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25 Jan 2008 08:51 |
I'm jaleous..... always LOVED this particular model....
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
25 Jan 2008 10:04 |
[edited]:
I want it 
Gis a go on it
Id love to see some pictures of it restored. Id love to have the time and the resources to have a project like that.
Im jealous
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
Posts: 778
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25 Jan 2008 21:41 |
Believe me I have neither the time nor the resources to restore it but it will be done, properly.
I've added a couple of teasers just to show I'm not full of it. I made a promise to the person I bought the chassis from not to sell it and I wont.
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Inline Image
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
25 Jan 2008 22:33 |
[edited]:
Wow, what a project bike to have in the garage.
Beats the old shitters that most of have spread in bits
Serious question. When its restored, will it be road legal or kept in its original race trim, so effectivly a show bike.
Assuming you still wouldnt use it as a track bike
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
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25 Jan 2008 22:45 |
Thanks.
Well to be honest it wouldn't be possible to road register it over here especially. I suppose theoretically it could be modified enough to get through the process but it would be a shame to do it really. It will be a running show bike, a tribute if you like to what Norton achieved with very limited resources.
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
26 Jan 2008 10:26 |
It looks like a part stripped RG500 road bike to me
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ST2
M3 / J3,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
26 Jan 2008 10:27 |
Sigh ....
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
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26 Jan 2008 10:37 |
He rides a WeeMW, we make allowances
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
26 Jan 2008 13:28 |
[edited]:
GP:
Believe me I have neither the time nor the resources to restore it but it will be done, properly Quote:
Ade could do it
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Isaac Hunt
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
26 Jan 2008 13:32 |
Provided you don't mind it looking like something that's escaped from a merry-go-round
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
Posts: 778
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26 Jan 2008 23:56 |
and complain the whole time about having no money, sorry Ade he started it
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
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28 Jan 2008 17:03 |
Gene,
welcome to what seems like an exclusive club, I am sure you will make a mighty fine bike out of that.
I have always loved Brit bikes even tho I know the Japs, Germans and Italians make some great stuff too!
But there is something special about a Brit Bike and when you pull up on one you know its going to attract attention.
As for Nortons? I love em.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
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06 Feb 2008 15:45 |
Does anyone have a second hand early Daytona top fairing they want to sell? If so mail me,
Cheers all
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
19 Feb 2008 08:45 |
Does anyone have an early Daytona top fairing and brake + clutch levers they would sell me?
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
19 Feb 2008 15:05 |
Tried ebay....?
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
20 Feb 2008 09:32 |
Am on ebay every day but no joy so far.
But if any forum member or guest can help me out I would be grateful................
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
20 Feb 2008 09:36 |
I have an open ended question here for anyone who may know.
The ignition coils have been removed from the bike and the wiring diagram (Works manual) shows there is a common red between the three coils. Question is the common red goes on + Positive OR the - Negative side of the ignition coils?????
Thanx in advance
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
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20 Feb 2008 10:06 |
i would have guessed at th + side as that will be the primary 12 volt feed, probably
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Tonto
Nr Scropton,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
20 Feb 2008 10:15 |
I worked at Dream Machine for a while on used to prep the body work ready for spraying on the Norton race bikes.Even did the white one Hislop raced at the TT.
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
Posts: 778
Enthusiast
20 Feb 2008 10:18 |
Amazingly I almost bought all the white bodywork from that TT bike but at the last minute the bloke at Norton (who shall remain nameless) decided maybe he shouldn't which was just as well because the bike ended up in the NMM.
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Tonto
Nr Scropton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,678
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Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
20 Feb 2008 10:24 |
Photo Album Image
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
Posts: 778
Enthusiast
20 Feb 2008 10:40 |
That's the one, the paintwork looked sooo much better close up.
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
05 Mar 2008 08:55 |
Hi there folks, I am trying to find a Daytona fairing top section (with the twin lights). I have tried ebay In fact still am but am desperate for 1 now. Can anyone help?
Cheers all
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jockney rebel
nsw,
Australia
Posts: 107
Speed Triple (05->)
11 Mar 2008 10:04 |
slightly off topic but has anyone heard anything about these new norton commandos apparently being made in canada?
just got sent a pic of one ..
ohlins suspenders ,17' wire wheels, parrallel 990cc aircooled twin
new frame ??
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jimmyj
South Wales,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Mar 2008 10:04 |
Any chance of posting it Jockney?
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AC
Northants,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (99-01)
11 Mar 2008 11:02 |
Is it this, Jockney?
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/default.asp
Which I think is dead in the water
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SpondonGob
Brisbane,
Australia
Posts: 778
Enthusiast
11 Mar 2008 11:04 |
Yeah it all looked very promising but went under a year or so ago.
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jockney rebel
nsw,
Australia
Posts: 107
Speed Triple (05->)
11 Mar 2008 13:46 |
yeah thats the kiddy ..pity
my old mans got a 66 dommie and hes a norton nut..[he wont let me "modernize" it for him} its just the sort of bike hed find comfortable yet up to date
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
31 Mar 2008 09:07 |
Triumph Up-date.
The bike is cleaning up nicely, its nearly back together another week possibly two and it'l be running again, the bike wont be custonised or anyway radicalised as there seems no point in altering what is a unique bike. I will be posting pictures of it on here when its finished. Those that gave me a few tips and you know who you are. Many thanx and I really appreciate your input. Catch you all soon,
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
30 Apr 2008 15:08 |
The sun is out, the sky is blue
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Junk Maile
La La Land,
United Kingdom
Posts: 184
Enthusiast
30 Apr 2008 15:11 |
The latest is the bike is nearly finished
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
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Daytona 955i (04->)
30 Apr 2008 19:10 |
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