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Mono
Swindon,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 May 2008 08:15 |
Though the sun was shining it was not a good day. I had decided to finally tackle the oil leak on my T595 which consisted of replacing the sump gasket and a oil/filter change...sounds simple enough right? Whilst in the process of cleaning the old gasket off the sump I noticed something shiny and moving around in the dribble of oil left in the bottom of the sump. I pulled out a polo shaped peice of metal which looked like the bottom bit of a spring, then another quarter, then a smidging of a circlip. Tried to ignore it for a moment...this looks bad javascript:SelectSmilie('\\ '); very bad, terminal even But could not find any other damage anywhere else in the engine?
A bit of research was required so out came my microfiche CD and Haynes manual, but for all the looking I could not find any spring that looked like what I had found. So a trip to my local Dealer in Swindon, Performance Triumph, surely they would know? Spoke to the Parts guy who looked up on the same microfiche briefly and told me that nothing was in the engine of this type of spring. After avoidance tactics by the parts guy for me to speak with a mechanic, I did manage to nab a moment with one of them who was just handing over an MOT'd bike to a customer and showed him the rogue bits I had found...but again he was bemused. I knew it wasn't the valve springs or the clutch springs and he was adamant that there was nothing else similar in the engine.
The oil leak problem wasn't my sump gasket afterall but a hairline crack which I discovered along this stories way so I called the usual 3 breakers for one, Triumphant, Sprint Manufacturing and Lynx Motorcylces. To my surprise, without even SEEING the bits I had found I was told by each one of these guys the exact problem, the well known problem Triumph has with these bikes! The outer clutch basket springs shattering apart, which normally can be quite catastrophic. For once my luck seems to be in??? as I have found it before it became a terminal issue...
Triumph are you and your dealers in denial? We all know the Aluminium casting used in the early years were weaker than candy floss (hence why this is my second sump! and the crank casings have been replaced too) but I was not aware that engine components had issues too. I am really peeved that the dealer didn't identify the problem as this is such a well know fault, confirmed by the many threads on this website.
Thanks to the secondhand parts network of honest knowledgeable experienced people (esp. Paul at Lynx Motorcycles) I was advised immediately what the problem was.
Oh and one last thing - I have got no idea which circlip in the engine got damaged by these floating bullets of metal. I assume due to the size of the circlip is it one from the gearbox shafts, As it is only the very end, the thicker bit with the hole in it...is it safe to leave it and not replace it? Advice welcome...
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,487
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Enthusiast
13 May 2008 08:51 |
noooooooooo, if its the circlip I think it is then you will have severe gearbox trouble in the near future. Sounds like a candidate or a recon/used engine to me unless you are prepared to strip it down and replace the circlip and you may as well upgrade it at the same time to avoid the dreaded 4th gear problems....
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Mono
Swindon,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 May 2008 04:13 |
I had the crankcases replaced at 13335miles by Jack Lilley's in 2004 which was conducted under warranty (£3200!!) all within a year of buying the bike so the whole bottom end got rebuilt. Its now got 26k on the clock I would have expected anything to have happened by now?
Only gearbox issues I have experienced is it slips out of 2nd gear sometimes when lofting a good un if I don't keep my foot holding the gear leaver in the up position - is this signs of this 4th gear issue?? On the brief threads I have read the gear just shatters doesn't it?
Whilst I have had the sump off I have careful examined the gear box for signs of these shards damaging anything else but can't see a thing.
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Peter Pellatt
Bredhurst, Kent,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,200
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
14 May 2008 09:34 |
Jumping out of gear isn't the symptom for the exploding 4th gear issue, or at least it wasn't with mine, it just went bang ! I'd check for worn dogs on the gear pinnions and/or worn selectors. Either way, it's an engine out crankcases split job (which isn't as hard as it sounds in fact) and you can then, as X-man suggests, whilst inspecting and replacing worn gears/selector forks as required, install the 4th gear upgrade kit.
If you can call on the assistance of a friend, you should be able to do the complete job in a week-end.
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Mono
Swindon,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
15 May 2008 05:46 |
Have now removed the clutch housing I can see that everyone of the 6 small springs are broken into many peices...looks like there should be a lot more bits to them too. So I think I have been very fortunate not to have had more damage. Dunno where the missing bits have gone? must have drained out during oil changes I suppose?
Yeah I know your right to split the engine...I'm in denial at the moment...the suns shining etc I just wanna ride the damn thing.
Roughtly, what will the 4th gear upgrade cost me?
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Mono
Swindon,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
15 May 2008 05:59 |
Should have save my £250 on the sprag clutch and sump and just put it towards a new engine.
So in a nutshell these are the only issues with a T595 of this age - pulled off another thread....
Sump (done)
Crank cases (done)
Sprag clutch (will be done)
4th gear (no issue but suppose if I slit the thing miht as well
Engine block (dare I ask what happens here - assume this is the crank cases too)
... it begs to wonder why we bother doesn't it
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,487
Premier Member
Enthusiast
15 May 2008 09:41 |
The engine block thing is weak crancases due to insufficient webbing I think.
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Peter Pellatt
Bredhurst, Kent,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,200
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
15 May 2008 14:34 |
Roughtly, what will the 4th gear upgrade cost me?:
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Not massively expensive Mono, less than £200 if I recall correctly. If you can attract the attention of Android, he had to order the bits earlier this year, he will be able to give you a more accurate figure I suspect.
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