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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
22 Apr 2008 20:17 |
Hi,
I have a 955i Daytona, with a Datatool S3 alarm fitted. I'm pretty sure this is the same as the Triumph alarm.
I now live in Germany, and need to register the bike here, as getting an MOT is just too far away !
I'm sure I'm going to need a certificate, that the alarm is OK fitted on the bike. Does anyone know where I can find one ? Anyone seen a Triumph alarm "its OK to fit this" certificate ?
I'm sure a tester would be happy to see something with the words Triumph alarm on a piece of paper.
The problem being, if I have to take it off, that will be awkward trying to wire the bike up again !
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Nige
Tuesday so must be,
Belgium
Posts: 2,097
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
22 Apr 2008 21:20 |
Try your local Triumph dealer for a certificate, or at least a letter stating that the alarm is a Triumph approved accessory fitment. If you have a look at the wiring loom coming from the alarm unit you should find that there is a large rectangular plug where it connects to the wiring loom of the bike. If you find that plug then your alarm was definitely built by Datatool specifically for Triumph.
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Al Jackson
Down in the woods,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,160
Enthusiast
23 Apr 2008 12:39 |
Are you re-registering the bike in Germany?
Is it easy or a bureaucratic nightmare?
Are your papers in order? 
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Short Legs Robert
Surrey,
United Kingdom
Posts: 175
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
23 Apr 2008 21:35 |
why don't you give data tool a call, they make the alarm for Triumph. always found their support guys very helpful unlike my local Triumph dealer! Google datatool.
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
23 Apr 2008 21:48 |
I've contacted Datatool, but they are sitting on the fence really, and I get the feeling don't want to get involved. They don't seem to realise that the alarm is in the Triumph catalogue here. I'm now trying to get some documents from here - Though my German is not great, but I've sent some emails off. I was hoping that Datatool would have some sort of paperwork, but seems not. My closest dealer is about 25 miles away, so I guess I'll have to get over there. Datatool posted this back to me.
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The bike itself depending on its age will either conform to UK construction of use regulations or to European Whole Vehicle Type Approval (EWVTA). As previously mentioned Datatool have not had the alarm TUV approved.
I can only suggest you ask Triumph UK if your model of bike has been tested (with the alarm fitted) to any of the above regulations/approvals. If the bike has been tested to EWVTA, Triumph UK should be able issue you with a Certificate of conformity (COC). The COC should enable you to register your bike in any member state.
If the bike does not conform to EWVTA but to UK construction of use regulations then you will almost certainly need the bike tested by the German authorities. If the German authorities will not accept the alarm then it will need to have it removed. For the bike to run with the alarm removed you will require a special electrical connector to be fitted in place of the alarm system. The electrical connector will need to be supplied and fitted by your Triumph dealer.
I hope this answers your question.
Regards,
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I've already got paperwork for my tyres, and the scottoiler. Just the alarm is the last thing to sort. I'm going to take it to the testing place here on Friday anyway, and see what they can do.
I've got all my paperwork ready too  And I'm hoping the guys there are Triumph fans, so they don't give me too much grief ....... well I'll find that out.
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Nige
Tuesday so must be,
Belgium
Posts: 2,097
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
24 Apr 2008 12:35 |
Some Tw@ at Datatool:
If the German authorities will not accept the alarm then it will need to have it removed. For the bike to run with the alarm removed you will require a special electrical connector to be fitted in place of the alarm system. The electrical connector will need to be supplied and fitted by your Triumph dealer. |
Bollocks ...........!! You can easily fit it yourself. Search the threads here for info. IIRC someone managed to get the connector from Carl Rosner Triumph, or it may have been Jack Lilley. There is a Triumph part number for it. If you're really desperate someone on here has the drawings to actually make one from scratch.
In fact your best bet regarding the alarm might just be to disconnect it and remove it temporarily. It should only take you about 30 minutes. Then after you get the bike through the German test either refit the alarm, or not, as the case may be.
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Short Legs Robert
Surrey,
United Kingdom
Posts: 175
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
24 Apr 2008 22:29 |
It was me, JL refused to sell me the plug but I could buy a complete new alarm when my alarm packed up. Not the first time I have been stitched up there. Hence I will not buy my parts from JL.
Carl Rosner sold me the plug for £10, with a proof of identity. It is the same plug you require for the Daytona. Got the bike back on the road.
took the alarm into Steve Jordan who sent it off to Datatool, new board required about £140 and Steve jordan charged £10 to refit the alarm set it up and test.
now why couldn't JL do that?
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
26 Apr 2008 07:17 |
Well I got knocked out at in the first round ! I took the bike yesterday to a drive in testing house (Dekra). The guy couldn't find my bike on his system .... great ! Even though I had every piece of paper with me, and of course the registration document. He couldn't link the bike to a manufacturer number, and type number. So this morning after finding these number out on the web, I'm taking it to a Tuv test house, who are open ......
Let round two commence ......
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
26 Apr 2008 19:28 |
Well .... Round two didn't even start ! Would you believe, as I pulled up at the testing station, my clutch cable snapped ! What a good impression that was ... but they think I have all my paperwork in order, and were kind even to help push the bike, as I paddled along before pushing first gear in ! Luckily there were not many traffic lights on the way back.
So I've a cable on order, and we have a holiday here at the end of next week, so I'll have to cancel the appointment, and make it for just over a weeks time.
Round three !
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Nige
Tuesday so must be,
Belgium
Posts: 2,097
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
26 Apr 2008 21:41 |
Hope they don't work on the US "3 strikes and yer out" principle ....!!
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Bierbelly
Hassocks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7
Speed Triple T509 (97-98)
28 Apr 2008 12:50 |
I'm a German (lurker up til now) riding a S3 in Sussex.
So if you need any help with the whole TÜV malarky (translation, a shoulder to cry on - I know why I left the country, etc.) - happy to help!
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 13,343
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
29 Apr 2008 15:47 |
That bierbelly is ironical, there are at least 3 Brits on this site who live in Germany. I do understand though what you say about the beraucracy...........
Jonathan, of course they have had the Daytona over here, they are just stalling you!
Hope you get it sorted soon and keep us posted. Beacuse I will be going through the same headache sometime soon.........
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
30 Apr 2008 06:45 |
Yes, I think the first place I went to, the Dekra testing station, the guy just wasn't so bothered .... and was happy to moan about paperwork, and send me somewhere else (I won't go back there again). The TUV place were more willing to help. Funny enough, when I mentioned the alarm, the guys there nodded their heads - and didn't ask for any extra documentation.
I've got a doc for the Scottoiler, and the tyres on the bike. Both I found on the web. My insurance doc has the bike manufacturer type, the type of bike, and its power, which I showed to the TUV guys. So it looks like everything I have is OK.
I just need the cable to turn up, then give the bike a good wash for a good impression, then it should sail through the test. Its booked in for Wednesday next week.
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 13,343
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
30 Apr 2008 09:15 |
Fanstastic Jonathan 
Grüßchen aus Dresden; gedrukte daumen für dich
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
09 May 2008 08:54 |
Success !!!! I now have a white surfboard as a number plate !
The clutch cable turned up the day before my TUV test, wasn't difficult to fit, but I worked out why the old one snapped. Its not mounted very well, and doesn't line up with the clutch arm correctly. Its slightly angled. So it pulls badly. Not enough to notice, but after a few years, enough to snap a cable. Anyway, I can hopefully bend that at a later date.
So the TUV test went well really. I had cleaned the bike well, which I think always helps things along. Would you believe it, he didn't care about the alarm at all ! He looked at all the usuall stuff, tyres, brakes, lights etc, then went for a test ride. He was gone for about 10mins ! So I guess he enjoyed the ride !
Then he did the exhaust gas test, no problem there.
My headlights were a problem at first, as I had forgotten to bring the left one down a bit, so it doesn't blind others. But the screws are easily adjustable, and he let me off and allowed me to do that at home, without having to bring it back again. Nice.
So with the TUV papers, it was back into town to register the bike. I had everything with me .... apart from my passport .... Oh dear ! Of course they wanted to see my passport, this is GERMANY after all !
So this morning I went back again, with my paperwork, passport, and I'm now all registered.
So in the end, all the original paperwork I was looking for, the TUV guy didn't ask to see. I guess he could check the tyres on his database, but the alarm and scottoiler, he wasn't bothered about. Maybe he knows these are OK. So all that faffing around at the start, wasn't necessary.
If anyone else has to register a bike here, the steps are:
1) Insurance - I bought mine on line. You can buy policies that are less than 12 months. I bought April to November as I don't ride in winter.
2) TUV test and abgas test - Book in at your local test centre. Take your registration doc with you, and any other info too you have to help these guys dig out the data on your bike. There are 2 companies who can test, but Dekra couldn't help me, so I used TUV. I would recommend going to TUV.
3) With your UK registration document, TUV papers, insurance, and passprot, go to the registration office in your town/city
4) Smile and be nice during all the above stages, and you'll get a number plate in the end !
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
09 May 2008 09:10 |
I should add, that you also need to take your old number plate with you at the registration office. They want to keep that. It will probably end up on their wall in the office, with other foreign plates !
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 13,343
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
09 May 2008 12:43 |
Glad you got it sorted Jonathan, so are you a UL or a NU and do you have a small number say JM with year of birth. This seems to be popular here in Dresden
I've just saved that, for when I get my bike here; although different länder sometimes use different processes.
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Jonathan Moore
Ulm,
Germany
Posts: 65
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
12 May 2008 18:59 |
I have a UL plate. NU is for Neu Ulm, which is over the river. In reality, its all the same city, but on a piece of paper its in Bayern, not Baden Wurtemburg ! I didn't have the chance to pick the other letters or numbers, they just gave me them !
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 13,343
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
13 May 2008 08:00 |
..........that's why I asked! Although saying that, last time I registered a car here they gave me a selection to choose from!
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