|
| Info |
Message |
Tazman
Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 76
Daytona Super III (95-96)
27 Feb 2008 16:28 |
Read in MCN last week about Vision Zero whereby they think that banning bikes will mean no more road deaths? Not sure how banning bikes will stop cars crashing or coaches overturning or pedestrians walking under cars??
Is this just the MCN being the MCN or do the Govt really want to try this on?
I may only now ride for pleaseure but I will not give up my bike without a fight.
|
 |
Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
27 Feb 2008 16:30 |
It's true
http://www.sei.se/visionzero/
It's a typical 'remove the risk from life' sort of bollocks that's been around for quite a while now
|
|
Tonto
Nr Scropton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,678
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
27 Feb 2008 18:15 |
Cars and bikes are not Dangerous....it's the people in/on them that are.It's a bit like a gun isn't dangerous until you put bullets in it.
|
|
Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 36,240
Premier Member
Tiger 1050 (07->)
27 Feb 2008 18:19 |
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
27 Feb 2008 19:01 |
There's a follow up in this weeks paper.
fwiw : I e-mailed MCN, after last weeks article, it's one of the replies on the letters page.
The president of the Association of European Motorcycle Manufacturers (who is also the boss of KTM) says he believes the "European law makers intend to ban all motorcycles from the road because they view them as too dangerous"
Seems there's a lot of misleading statistics being thrown about, to help convince Euro MP's this is a good idea.
|
|
Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
27 Feb 2008 19:06 |
Beers on Rob then
Statistically bikes ARE a lot more dangerous than cars and banning them is seen as an easy way to reduce the roads casualty figures.
how they balance that with the tens of thousands of jobs that would be lost as a consequence and the amount of compensation you'd have to pay out as a result beggars belief
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
27 Feb 2008 19:28 |
Unfortunately Vision Zero is already official transport policy in Sweden and Norway.
The RAC foundation, call it a "toxic mix of target-driven politics plus a risk-averse culture, trying to protect people from themselves."
Personally I think the risk is very real, but how they could possibly implement it, I don't know.
If the killspills rally can motivate a few thousand think what the threat of a total ban might do.
|
|
karl vriesen
jackson,Ms.,
USA
Posts: 102
Adventurer (96-98)
28 Feb 2008 04:06 |
Fellow 2 Wheelers, It's with great trepidation that I read your posts. It unfortunately is historic that the US follows the European way. We are still holding on to and fighting, politcally, to keep our guns.
To hear that removing ones freedom of transport is now occuring over there is discomforting!
|
|
Frank Jones
NY,
USA
Posts: 1,737
Premier Member
Sprint RS (02-05)
28 Feb 2008 04:36 |
Bikes are NOT dangerous per- se....
You are mixing up DANGEROUS and VULNERABLE..........me lad!!!!
|
|
dave miles
Arizona,
USA
Posts: 219
Enthusiast
28 Feb 2008 05:24 |
someone please chain me to the floor of a rubber room before I hurt myself
|
|
Tazman
Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 76
Daytona Super III (95-96)
28 Feb 2008 09:26 |
Not a good idea Dave, those chains won't half chafe
Does this mean that biking is already banned in Sweden?
It is impossible to stop people being hurt /killed unless we all sit still and only eat lentils, life will be boring though!!
Is this something that will just slip in through parliament or will there be a big "look how good we are at saving your lives, ps bikes are banned"??
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
28 Feb 2008 10:08 |
They're not banned, but to some, incompatible with an aim of zero road deaths.
|
|
Tazman
Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 76
Daytona Super III (95-96)
28 Feb 2008 10:24 |
But I would have thought that the only way to stop road deaths would be to stop ALL traffic movements? If we follow that through what about any death anywhere? should we not ban flying? when those babies come down there is almost no way to survive? We could ban wars (now theres an idea) as people keep getting killed?
where does it end?
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
28 Feb 2008 12:54 |
:
But I would have thought |
No longer required. Just do as told !
 
|
|
GUG
ZX12R Rocket Bike,
United Kingdom
Posts: 533
Premier Member
Enthusiast
28 Feb 2008 15:40 |
how many will die prematurely through alcohol related diseases this year, just like cancer induced by smoking. Thousands and thousands worldwide. We cant ban these though the income helps our politicians fill there pockets with the vast tax income generated. By comparison income from motorcycle sales (VAT) fuel, RFL.etc. is puny in comparison.
Bring on the revolution brothers.
|
|
SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
29 Feb 2008 00:42 |
I love the idea that manufacturers are able to continue the ridiculous never ending power struggle to see who can make the most absurd road bike and rather than curb this they talk about banning them altogether.
To at least try and be sensible about this why not limit road going vehicles to say 150 KPH ? Lets face facts here, no of us NEED to do more than that speed on a public road, especially not with our roads and suicidal wildlife.
|
|
Andy Coley
Hoskinstown NSW,
Australia
Posts: 21
Daytona 955i (02)
29 Feb 2008 01:30 |
So Mr Spon would you have us all riding Honda Deuvilles and behaving rationally?
|
|
SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
29 Feb 2008 02:06 |
Where did I say I wanted that ? What I DID say is that we don't NEED the latest missles that do 170kph in FIRST gear. If everyone can't see that these bikes are the thing that will eventually see severe legislation introduced then they need to open their eyes.
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
29 Feb 2008 10:00 |
There are already some countries with 100bhp power limits.
Regardless of the fact that power has never been linked to accident stats.
|
|
SpondonHAT
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,390
Enthusiast
29 Feb 2008 10:52 |
There has been an upsurge in deaths amongst born agains on high powered bikes here.
|
|
Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,338
Premier Member
Sprint ST (05->)
29 Feb 2008 12:09 |
And here.
Tho anyone but a road safety advisor, could see it was the rider, not the machine, at fault.
I do think power limits are the way this will end.
Current performance is a sitting target for the safety lobby.
tbh if that keeps them off our backs, I could live with it.
|
|
Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
29 Feb 2008 17:38 |
Quote:
To at least try and be sensible about this why not limit road going vehicles to say 150 KPH |
Why ?
Better driver training is what is needed so that drivers can drive quickly and safely.
The scariest drivers to come across are those that do 35-40 on A-roads (well actually 35-40 everywhere)
|
|
karl
Aberdeen,
United Kingdom
Posts: 661
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
01 Mar 2008 11:13 |
They should ban these old duffers off the roads, be a damn good start !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h.....ral/7271514.stm
|
|
 Dan The Man
An Englishman abroad,
Sweden
Posts: 345
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
01 Mar 2008 13:51 |
The problem with "Nollvisionen" isn`t with its inventors, but its critics. The inventors of it openly admit it`s nothing but a "vision", an unattainable goal. Any life saved trying to reach this impossible goal makes it worthwhile.
The critics (career politicians, anti biking motoring journalists, green fundamentalists, "speed kills"loonies, anyone who wants to get on the bandwagon) say that "Nollvisionen" has failed and more has to be done. These people abuse the statistics to suit thier own misguided agendas, and then lobby parliament.
|
|
Tazman
Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 76
Daytona Super III (95-96)
02 Mar 2008 21:27 |
I think Dan the Man has a very good point - the actual vision has to be applauded, no road deaths is a good place to aim and we should all be behind that aim, its just how those in charge will try and fulfil the vision zero!!
|
|
Aussie Biker
Perth,
Australia
Posts: 173
Enthusiast
04 Mar 2008 09:29 |
I think most legislation is aimed at legislating for/against stupidity whatever mode of transport,or way of choosing to live and most would feel that down deep inside do you agree?
We're human,and if history is any guide to models..we'd probably be classed as 'not easily updated' or similar
|
|
Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,141
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
04 Mar 2008 17:58 |
The more you legislate against danger and risk the more interesting ways the human race finds to kill themselves. Why else was bungy jumping invented
|
|
Aussie Biker
Perth,
Australia
Posts: 173
Enthusiast
14 Mar 2008 11:38 |
I reckon nanny gummints will legislegalise against any thing that looks like a hell of a lot more fun than those miserable poor buggers are having..since 911 freedom is going and the fun police are getting bigger bugger it.No bastard on this earth is going to illegalese the only form of transportation that made me feel alive when i was doing it..cheers bastards
|
|
