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Kevin McDow
okc, ok,
USA
Posts: 13
Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Mar 2002 17:31 |
I have just started reading the postings over the past two weeks or so. I want to know what Waynes tuneboy is, and any info about it. I have seen links to the dynos, and have seen links on t5net.com, but cannot get through to it. I NEED TO KNOW!!! Anyway, any information is helpful. thanks.
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Homertrix
South Bucks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,319
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Mar 2002 20:38 |
The tuneboy project is a cable that connects a standard PC or laptop to your bike through the EFI connector. Wayne has done some incredible work and has effectively produce two tools. First is a diags tool that allows you to read off what is happening in the engine management system, what the sensors say, set the CO, reset the throttle, etc. Second is the ability to create and download your own fuel mappings to the bike. Worth every penny......
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Big A (formerly A..... H........ Jr.)
florida,
USA
Posts: 207
Daytona 955i (99-01)
12 Mar 2002 20:57 |
Having met Wayne at Daytona last week and seen the tuneboy in action, I must first say that Wayne is a genius and I'm glad he is on our side. Even the Triumph North America reps were drooling over the tuneboy. Two members of this group purchased it while we were there and at least three more of us will be ordering soon. Wayne went so far as to impress the powercommander people at the IMS show, the box they sell works on the same premise as Wayne's cable!!! Go check out his website and then ask around here. All those who own the tuneboy can "tune" their bikes in an infinite number of ways. And if you make a mistake you can always go back to your original tune so you don't get frustrated with something that does not work.
All I have to say is thanks a million to Wayne and Stuart and to all the members of t595.net You all make owning and riding my bike that much more enjoyable and loads more fun.
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Kevin McDow
okc, ok,
USA
Posts: 13
Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Mar 2002 22:39 |
tuneboy
Thanks for the explanation of what it is, I also need a link to get to the info and ordering site so that I can find out info on it and order one, and become one of "waynes kids".
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Jeff Smith
Albany, New York,
USA
Posts: 107
Daytona 955i (99-01)
12 Mar 2002 23:05 |
He's still over here in the US until tomorrow, if I remember correctly, He is always reading here so I'm sure he'll be posting here soon. By the way I'm one of the two Amador is talking about and he is spot on about Wayne product. It's amazing how much better Wayne's software and cable is compared to Power commanders and is way more user friendly than even the "official" triumph gameboy. I'm back up north in NY waiting for my bike to get shipped back from Dayona so I can play around and tune my bike...
By the way it was cool to meet Amador and John at the RAT meet...If anybody else here was at the meet, we never met them. The three of us just kinda gravitated to each other...
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Kevin McDow
okc, ok,
USA
Posts: 13
Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Mar 2002 23:12 |
tuneboy
so just so im straight, you get basically a CDROM program, download it onto your laptop, hook a cable in and the other in somewhere on the management sys on the bike, and just modify the diagnostics. Is it easy for a moron like me to use or does wayne come personally to do the work (just kidding about that part)?
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Jeff Smith
Albany, New York,
USA
Posts: 107
Daytona 955i (99-01)
12 Mar 2002 23:27 |
No, its pretty much that simple. If you have access to a good dyno, and could spend some time tuning, with his stuff, you can actually supertune in 500 rpm increments everything from fuel, timing advance and air fuel mix. In the right hands its a very helpful software program...If Wayne was a better marketer <  > He could probably sell the software to Triumph or sagem directly. It truly is a great tool for tuning. It is $300 for the package but well worth it for squeezing every last HP out of your bike, not too mention the diagnostics program that helps troubleshoot, and clear any error codes.
Ok Wayne do I get a discount for giving testimonials?? heheheh
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Homertrix
South Bucks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,319
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 Mar 2002 10:08 |
This is my own personal point of view, but it Triumph did go racing they would have to use a system like Wayne's to get the best out of their bikes. In fact any private team racing a Triumph would be foolhardy not to purchase it.
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Dale Royce
SYDNEY,
Australia
Posts: 29
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
13 Mar 2002 15:50 |
I visited Wayne @ his home just before his USA trip. And can only tell you that apart from being a nice guy..this man knows his stuff. He Builds, Rides, Races and Loves his Bikes (4 I beleive), all of which are T595's. But that aside, Being someone that works on a computer all day,
I understood 98% of what was showen to me by Wayne in regards to the Use and Functions of his GameBoy setUp, I was amazeing...Period.
To be able to creat your own custom (Fine) Tunes from any downloadable exsisting Tunes, and always be able to revert to the one you started with if you loose the plot , Is nothing short of TuneTimeTinkerHeaven.. For me this could be a hobby.
One things for sure... I'm getting it. No more worrying if this, or that, pipe has a tune, etc.. Or even, "whats the latest tune from Triumph.." It's very cool.
I also think it's possible
that Wayne may be....
a) a very wealthy man
b) My new best freind 
c) Assassinated for being too cleaver for his own good I wonder if the likes of DynaTune (Powercommander) are watching His progress ?
p.s Wayne, Hope You Haveing a ball in the states..
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DaytoMan
The Heartland,
USA
Posts: 933
Daytona 955i (99-01)
13 Mar 2002 18:15 |
Wayne's World
Damn it to hell! I was in Daytona last week, I hung out at the Triumph Truck and met other Triumph owners and met the reps. Unfortunately I had to leave Saturday afternoon and missed the RAT party. How could I have missed seeing or hearing about Waynes programmer? Where was he at? @#$^!##^!*
$300 doesnt sound bad, I was expecting more....but dont raise it Wayne. Like Kevin siad I too am a bit of a Moron when it comes to tuning but I am learning. Is it that user freindly? is there any tips that come along with it?
Also, doesnt the Official Triumph tuner do the same thing? or can you not fine tune it with the Triumph tuner? I asked my mechanic at my dealership about a Power Commander, he said he can do the same thing for me with the Triumph tuner whenever I wanted too but the difference is, it would be for free. No need to buy a Power Commander.
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DaytoMan
The Heartland,
USA
Posts: 933
Daytona 955i (99-01)
13 Mar 2002 18:16 |
Okies
I guess all us Okies must be morons....huh Kevin?
J.K.
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Kevin McDow
okc, ok,
USA
Posts: 13
Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 Mar 2002 19:19 |
waynes world
must be something in the water.
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DaytoMan
The Heartland,
USA
Posts: 933
Daytona 955i (99-01)
13 Mar 2002 22:39 |
Tuneboy on multiple bikes.
Will one Tuneboy work on more than one bike? Say if two or three Daytona onwers in the same city want to split the cost therefor making it even more affordable..hint hint.
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Homertrix
South Bucks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,319
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
13 Mar 2002 22:47 |
If you buy just the diags, you can, I believe, get a PC code that allows you to plug into any bike. But the tune downloads, I believe, are on a bike by bike basis - however you can enter more than one unlock code in the software so you may be able to purchase an additional license (and therefore unlock code) - but I don't know what Wayne's view is on this.
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Cichlid
Florida,
USA
Posts: 560
Daytona 675 (06->)
14 Mar 2002 01:01 |
Stuart is exactly correct. That is the way Wayne explained it to me when we were in Daytona. The additional license is $150. To sum it up, I purchased the tune-boy and tune-edit software. I can use them on my bike. My friend wants me to edit his tune on his bike, he sends Wayne $150 and Wayne then sends him a key. I enter that key into the software and now it works on his bike too.
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Jeff Smith
Albany, New York,
USA
Posts: 107
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 02:00 |
To add to what John stated, you do however only need to purchase one cable. And since people with Triumphs since to know each other this is a way to save on costs. John, have you played around with the software yet? Wondering if you can squeeze any more power out of your bike? and what happened with what Wayne loaded into your bike? Did you notice any difference?
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Cichlid
Florida,
USA
Posts: 560
Daytona 675 (06->)
14 Mar 2002 02:19 |
The tune that wayne loaded was a huge improvement over the stock Triumph tune I was running. I could tell a difference right away, especially with the red line that we raised from 10500 to 11500. I have messed around with the program, but I have not made any new FI map changes. I have a dyno around the corner from me that I will go to and test what I have loaded. Then I will probably make some changes for the typical weather conditions here in Florida.
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Doug Harvey
Toronto,
Canada
Posts: 1,211
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 12:25 |
That is great news John. I don't know how dificult learning the program is. Play with the fuel/air/timing settings from your garage and short road trips. Trying to figure it out while sitting on the dyno might get expensive if you rent the Dyno/hour.
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alx
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 992
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 12:40 |
As I understand it the Powercommander system (hereinafter referred to as "PC") is an inferior system to the Tuneboy (TB).
The PC sits in line with the signals out of the computer and modifies the feed to the various components.
The TB actually reprograms (remaps) the computer.
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DaytoMan
The Heartland,
USA
Posts: 933
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 16:38 |
More questions
This thing sounds awesome. I have realy had my eyes opened in the last two days..thanks guys.
Forgive the silly questions but I have a few more.
Will raising the red line to 11500 be too hard on a stock motor?
When you raise the red line, is the rev limiter adjusted to kick in at 11500 or is it completely turned off?
Also Wayne got back to me via e-mail all you need to work on multiple bikes is one cable, one CDROM program, that will take care of one bike. Then you just purchase adition keys for $150 for each aditon bike and you can use the original program. There are 3 guys already very interested in this thing in my town. We're just trying to learn a little more about it.
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Kevin McDow
okc, ok,
USA
Posts: 13
Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 Mar 2002 17:05 |
okay, so...
One more question (for now), The nearest dyno to me is about three hours away. The person before me brought up a good point about the hourly price on dyno time. A friend of mine seems to think that we can tune, ride, correct, ride...and so on. Is it going to be effective to play it by ear like that, or is a dyno nearly a necessity. Give me some info on what you guys think on that point. Do we have to use a dyno or not.
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Homertrix
South Bucks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,319
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 Mar 2002 17:16 |
The revlimiter still works, its just told a different value to interject. If you go to high, you can damage the engine (the whole purpose of a rev limiter!) - but there is a general view that Triumph have been conservative with the '02 rev limit.
Currently working of a tune swapping page, so people who know what they are doing create stonking tunes for particular purposes (e.g. specific pipes) and upload, poeple with the software can then download it to their bikes. This should alleviate the need for most people to use a dyno (like me!) and just plug and play with the best tunes.
PS You don't have to use a dyno, but its easier to get hard evidence rather than seat of your pants proof of improvement.
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DaytoMan
The Heartland,
USA
Posts: 933
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 17:35 |
Sounds great.... was Triumph conservative on the redlines on the older bikes too? What about raising the redline to 11500 on the older bikes(redline is currently 10500) 97-00. I have a 99. I would certainly want to know that raising the redline would not be too hard on it.
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Doug Harvey
Toronto,
Canada
Posts: 1,211
Daytona 955i (99-01)
14 Mar 2002 17:35 |
A Dyno will help you fill holes in the powerband live in front of your eyes. If the program was designed on a Dyno then the holes are fixed and small adjustments can correct individual engines. The Dyano will tell you exactly where you're making peak HP & flb's torque according to your tach. Is it nessassary, no, not if you are just interested in how the bike feels under you. Back to back Dyno runs are important if you want to find out how much gain you have made for the dollars you've spent. To me, it wouldn't make a difference. I would not be able to tell if I got another .5 to 1 hp at 9800rpm. At this point I twist the throttle and hang on. I do love the thought of pulling my bike into the garage, plugging in & tweeking a program that has already been on a Dyno. I can see great joy in this. Then once I've got it to where I think it's right for me, then I'd through it on a Dyno to see how far I've F'ed it up.
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Wayne Macdonald
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 515
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
18 Mar 2002 12:57 |
The Triumph gameboy can only fine tune the idle fuel trim (CO adjustment), on the 02 bikes you don't even have that. If your Triumph mechanic thinks he can do the same as a PCIII or the TuneBoy software with the Triumph tool then I would love to know how.
I think the key to all this stuff is to have a way to share the altered tunes. That way if you don't have access to a dyno you can download a tune that is close to what you have and try some +/- trims to fine tune.
Even the Triumph sports tunes seem to be well off the mark, I don't know why but they still seem to be very lean in the lower part of the rev range.
I think the rev limit on the older bikes should stay at 10500 max, The new motor has a rev limit of 10800 but is still climbing on the dyno graph, this indicates that the motor was designed to rev higher.
I will try to get as many bikes as I can to the dyno so I can provide custom tunes, I am lucky because I get the dyno time for free.
Alx, Must be nearly time to tune up your bike ?
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alx
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 992
Daytona 955i (99-01)
18 Mar 2002 17:14 |
Hi Wayne, yep will call this week.
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Doug Harvey
Toronto,
Canada
Posts: 1,211
Daytona 955i (99-01)
19 Mar 2002 16:58 |
Message to Wayne Macdonald
I have sent a couple of emails to you requsting to purchase your full Tuneboy package but I have not got a reply as of yet. I see you are back from the USofA and active of the boards. Is it possible I've sent my request to another?
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Cichlid
Florida,
USA
Posts: 560
Daytona 675 (06->)
19 Mar 2002 19:50 |
Doug, you can purchase the package right on Waynes website. That's the way I was going to do it until he decided to come to Daytona. You just click on, I think it is, the pay-pal symbol.
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yann tremblay
montreal,
Canada
Posts: 116
Daytona 955i (02)
20 Mar 2002 00:57 |
What is the actual website address for wayne's tuneboy? I've been trying to find it but no chance with the internet searching engin that i'm using.
Merci!
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alx
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 992
Daytona 955i (99-01)
20 Mar 2002 01:30 |
Go to Waynes website link in his profile. ie look for his posting further up this message list, click his name for his profile, click the weblink in his profile.
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Doug Harvey
Toronto,
Canada
Posts: 1,211
Daytona 955i (99-01)
20 Mar 2002 01:42 |
Waynes page just says to email for purchase info. I guess I've started the proceedure properly, I'll have to wait for his reply.
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Homertrix
South Bucks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,319
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
20 Mar 2002 08:55 |
Yann: http://members.optushome.com.au/wmcdonal/
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