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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 19:08 |
This morning, sunny, dry, 12-14 degrees on my Thuderbird Sport and riding quickly I braked coming up to a corner behind my mate on his 675 and lost control. Felt like the front skidded or locked, after that I probably braked to stop hitting the armco. Bike went down and I went sliding into the armco. Miraculously, Ive 'only' hurt my right arm and both hands and I was able to drive the TBS home with mostly superficial damage. Full suit and proper hlmet saved me from worse injury.
I don't understand the reaction of the bike on a straight under heavy braking unless:
the 675 nissin brakes and HH pads on an otherwise standard front (Metzler tyres). My verdict is the normal tyres and chasis / forks couldn't take the braking from upgraded gear and caused the front to 'lock'. Never happened to me before.
My mates have told me it was my fault and never want to see me on the TBS riding like 'that' again.
So, what happened?
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
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Daytona 955i (02)
11 Nov 2007 19:15 |
Sounds like you locked the front. 
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Flashster
***Glasgow***,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20,455
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Enthusiast
11 Nov 2007 19:19 |
I tend to "trail" the rear at this time of year as its as slippy as a slippy thing with no temp in the tyres................. ..Glad you are ok S.S...........
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 Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 37,909
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
11 Nov 2007 19:30 |
Cold tarmac, lack of heat in the tyres combined with a relatively long wheelbase (for a Triumph) pushed the front under panic or stronger braking from the upgraded gear.
Glad one is OK though
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,171
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 19:31 |
[edited]:
It was probably a collection of factors but suggests to me a combination of over worked brakes, tyres, suspension and dare I say rider.
Bloody nuisance but at least your ok.
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Capt. Kirk
leftcoast,
USA
Posts: 2,261
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Enthusiast
11 Nov 2007 19:33 |
glad your ok...
I did't mind falling (dirtbikes) when I knew what happened. It's frustrating when you don't know what to do different next time..... sounds like less front brake
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,171
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 19:35 |
[edited]: [edited]:
Did your foot peg deck and help kick things off?
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 19:38 |
No footpegs, I lost control on the straight coming toward the curve. I thought braking hain a straight line was 'safe'.
The TBS doesn't have floating dics. Was this another factor?
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 37,909
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
11 Nov 2007 19:39 |
No.
Grabbing a handful combined with going too fast, or too close to the vehicle in front sounds far more likely
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,132
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Daytona 955i (02)
11 Nov 2007 19:43 |
Yup, Got to get some weight onto the front by progressive braking. Only then can you give the lever a full fistfull.
I've never ridden a TBS but I'm guessing the front forks are "A bit bouncy" ?
I'm always doing it on my GS500 when I first switch to it
Sorry to hear it Senor
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 19:46 |
Yep, I grabbed a handful, not progressively asI realised in panic how fast I was going. Seems that nearly killing myself last year wasn't warning enough !!
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
11 Nov 2007 19:47 |
Glad you're okay (ish) Simon.....
Forgive me for saying could it be that the 675 was in its comfort zone and you may have been pushing that wee bit harder to keep up....? Combine that with trying to keep up with a 675 hypersports bike on a bike that is ostensibly a cruiser.... and overworked the tyres and suspension for a moment... just a theory.....
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
11 Nov 2007 20:10 |
[edited]:
blulabel:
Forgive me for saying could it be that the 675 was in its comfort zone and you may have been pushing that wee bit harder to keep up....? Combine that with trying to keep up with a 675 hypersports bike on a bike that is ostensibly a cruiser.... and overworked the tyres and suspension for a moment... just a theory..... (11 Nov 2007 19:47)
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That was what my mates said and in fact what happened cause just before this it was going through my mind to overtake the 675. I took the TBS out as I took the wrong keys to the car park and decided not to go back to get the 955 ones as I was late. My mindset was Daytona. The machinery was sporty cruiser.
So, I guess I don't any deserve any sympathy ...
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Nige
Tuesday so must be,
Belgium
Posts: 2,259
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
11 Nov 2007 21:23 |
No, next question ..................
Good the hear you're not severely bent though.
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
11 Nov 2007 22:09 |
[edited]:
bollocks double post.....
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 14,986
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Sprint RS (02-05)
11 Nov 2007 22:17 |
that BL does not make sense...................
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
11 Nov 2007 22:20 |
Do I ever....? I managed to repost my original comment to Simon..... Forgot I'd posted it when I got in from work.....
Sorry.....!
I shall impale myself on me toofbrush as a pennance.....!!!
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 14,986
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Sprint RS (02-05)
11 Nov 2007 22:24 |
 nah don't du dat man innit!
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BM
Christchurch,
New Zealand
Posts: 3,186
Enthusiast
11 Nov 2007 22:43 |
Was it new tarmac? Read a thing in Bike t'uther day about tarmac that can be dangerous to bikes until the top bit wears off.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,584
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
11 Nov 2007 23:18 |
I think thats just in the uk.
There have been a few articles about that in the uk bike press, the local authorities use a different type of bitumin coating on the road in many parts of the uk now, which can be slightly slippery under certain circumstances until the taffic has worn of the surface layer and exposed the substrate.
I dont know how much of a problem it is, I dont know anyone thats suffered from that specific issue, but there seems to be a few cases in the media.
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John Nelson
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 636
Tiger (01-06)
11 Nov 2007 23:22 |
BM
That will be Stone Mastic Asphalt (SMA)?
Goes down with all the stone fully coated in bitumen and doesn't develop full grip until the top bitumen wears off and you start running on stone.
It's a bit odd and inconsistent grip and can be a problem for all vehicles.
Bikes are at greatest risk as they move about within the width of a lane in ways twin track vehicles don't. That means we keep crossing from the worn in higher grip tram lines to the lower grip not worn in strips and back.
Don't think that was Simon's problem though.
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Browny
South Island,
New Zealand
Posts: 305
Enthusiast
12 Nov 2007 06:08 |
Ah, Attention deficit disorder??
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JohntheJock
Northern Lad,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,843
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Speed Triple (05->)
12 Nov 2007 08:21 |
Sorry to hear the news Glad to hear you are OK Simon.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 23,616
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Sprint ST (05->)
12 Nov 2007 12:55 |
Glad you're OK Simon
As some others have said, the geometry on a cruiser can make it easier to lock a wheel, compared to a sports bike where there is more load on the front tyre.
Trust the bike's relatively easy to fix, least there's no expensive plastics.
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Barney
SouthWestThePoshBit,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,314
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Sprint ST (05->)
12 Nov 2007 13:17 |
Glad to hear you're ok Simon ridding the 1050 ST and My Thunderbird Sport back to back make's you realise just how different and poor handling is compared ST nothing like so forgiving. But it doesn't seem like it when you ride the TBS all the time.
I have had a couple of moments on the TBS under heavy front braking caused the front end to dive and bottom out causing bad juddering on the front end luckly I had enough room to let off the brakes and squeeze back them on.
Both times it was the bike or car braking when I could see no reason to it that caused the problem.
I changed the fork oil after the first time and reset the suspension but it did it again so I've now give my self a bit more time by leaving a bigger gap and ride the old girl a bit more sedately.
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Nov 2007 13:27 |
Since owning my TBS I've adopted a smoother style, with more emphasis on the "slow in, fast out" style of riding.... The old girl will still get a shuffle on if need be, you just need to be a tad more forgiving
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ST
Surrey/Berks/Hants,
United Kingdom
Posts: 13,524
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
12 Nov 2007 13:39 |
you work her too hard BL - poor lass has to earn a living as well as pander to your excesses
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Nov 2007 13:49 |
yep, the bike's nice too.....
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
12 Nov 2007 18:27 |
Thanks for the comments fellow TBS bods. Yep, sometimes it feels like you can ride it like a modern bike but the braking hard doesn't come up to scratch. So, it's a case of getting it fixed up and using it for what I've been doing recently anyway - fairly smooth controlled riding within its limits, then parking it up and admiring it for being Triumph's most handsome bike ever!!
Damage wise at a first glance I've got a
a bent handlebar
1 x broken Halcyon mirror
exterior damage to a fork
two broken front indicators
twisted front mudguard
scratched flyscreen and RPM pod.
Scratched engine casings.
But apart from the handlebar it's ridable as the rest is (annoyingly) cosmetic. I'll get it done up by buying smaller presents for everyone!!
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Terence of the North
Seaside fogland,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,130
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Sprint ST (05->)
12 Nov 2007 20:57 |
you could sell those "slightly used" bits to ole BL
he's always looking for something to do his bike up.....
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Flashster
***Glasgow***,
United Kingdom
Posts: 20,455
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Enthusiast
12 Nov 2007 21:06 |
.....Very harsh.................
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Nov 2007 21:56 |
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Terence of the North
Seaside fogland,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,130
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Sprint ST (05->)
12 Nov 2007 21:59 |
a lip trailing on the ground..........
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Nov 2007 22:07 |
Gonna trip over the fecker in a minute.... ya feckers
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Flashster
***Glasgow***,
United Kingdom
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Enthusiast
12 Nov 2007 22:09 |
Night off B.L??????????
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
12 Nov 2007 22:12 |
Yup.... and tomorrow.....!
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Flashster
***Glasgow***,
United Kingdom
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Enthusiast
12 Nov 2007 22:15 |
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Col Slade
Swinton,Manchester,
United Kingdom
Posts: 387
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Sprint RS (00-01)
12 Nov 2007 22:37 |
tyre pressure m8y tyre pressure
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ted
cleethorpes,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,533
Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Nov 2007 22:58 |
WHY did I CRASH again
..........have you considered the possibility that......
................perhaps you're just not very good
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Col Slade
Swinton,Manchester,
United Kingdom
Posts: 387
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Sprint RS (00-01)
12 Nov 2007 23:05 |
i'll drink to that, lets have anouther
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Alex Mc
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 266
Daytona 955i (04->)
13 Nov 2007 03:01 |
Overzealous braking!!!
Great news that you had only minor abrasions...
I have a very long concrete driveway at my place and often pratice my front lockup/ recovery techiniques in all sorts of conditions(wet/dry/pissed/stoned/asleep)
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j p
ma,,
USA
Posts: 2,292
Daytona 955i (02)
13 Nov 2007 21:37 |
sounds to me like you found a slippery road,was there any oil on the road or a painted line? could have been some morning dew making the roads slippery. glad your ok !!! bummer about the bike
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
14 Nov 2007 20:14 |
Cold but dry roads. pretty good conditon really. maybe some dirt? But really my fault I suppose..
BL: I've got a well bent and twisted mudguard if you want to 'do up' your bike!!
Well, at least I've got a new project for the winter. I was getting bored with nothing tempting and new in the Triumph brochure...
Ok, so i bought some new Triumph winter gloves to replace the Dainesse ones that got ripped?
Oh and BTW, after a pretty hard knock on the head, do I now have to chuck the Arai with the expensive paint job out ?
Now, that would be painful
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John Nelson
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 636
Tiger (01-06)
14 Nov 2007 20:30 |
Yes Simom you must bin the helmet.
The hard foam in the lining is what absorbs the energy of the impact and it is strictly one shot stuff.
If the foam is out of shape the crushing is usualy on the side between the foam and the shell where you can't see it.
Also there may well be micro cracks in the shell which will seriously degrade it's properties in a second knock.
If it felt to you wearing the hat like a good knock then definately scrap it.
Whatever you spent on the hat your head is worth more.
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
15 Nov 2007 19:31 |
Yes, big bang on head against the armco with those little stars you see in cartoons. Well fuck that. Arai helmet with personalised Triumph centenary logo that all in cost 500€. Is my head worth that? Anyway, what makes you think I'd crash again?
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The Vicar
South of the Thames,
United Kingdom
Posts: 595
Sprint 900 (95-97)
15 Nov 2007 20:50 |
CAnt you send the helmet to Arai for testing? In the UK you can send it in and they will carry out a safety check for you.
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 37,909
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
15 Nov 2007 20:52 |
Are you SERIOUS?
He headbutted the armco!!
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 13:22 |
I fel so guilty that I've written to the local council and offered to pay for the armco I dented.
Bit harsh to throw out 500€ worth of helmet though. Couldn't I wear it for short trips and city use? errr please?
I'm too lazy to send it to Arai.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 23,616
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Sprint ST (05->)
16 Nov 2007 13:32 |
err... as a tax payer, you've already paid for the armco
But :
"big bang on head against the armco with those little stars you see in cartoons."
A new Arai is a must. No other conclusion possible.
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Andy Bastard
Droitwich,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,061
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Speed Triple (05->)
16 Nov 2007 13:35 |
FFS Simon!
Just read this. Wasn't last year enough for you? Just pack it in will you! (the crashing that is - not the biking, obviously)
Oh, and what Blizz said. I have had one or two potentially similar moments on my S3 trying to keep up with an "enthusiastic" 675 rider in Spain. 
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Mal
Lytham,
Zimbabwe
Posts: 24,420
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 14:07 |
So you can't keep up with a girlie ??
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Andy Bastard
Droitwich,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,061
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Speed Triple (05->)
16 Nov 2007 14:11 |
Who mentioned it being a girlie? Not me.
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Mal
Lytham,
Zimbabwe
Posts: 24,420
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 14:17 |
Well it's girlie's bike .. or so I've been told ...
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ST
Surrey/Berks/Hants,
United Kingdom
Posts: 13,524
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
16 Nov 2007 15:08 |
LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
LOL
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 17:45 |
girlie bikes are the pink ones and the cruisers ...
Anway, if I'd been wearing the girlie jet helmet that matches the bike I'd probably be dead now. Most of the damage was to the lower right side which is open. No wonder my mates went mad when they saw me with it a couple of month's back with gay cruiser leathers and gay matching Triumph cruiser jacket. Wearing that stuff in the same crash I'd probably be typing this by blowing orders down a straw...
I'm still gonna wear that stuff though but riding alone and driving gently out to biker bars wear everyone dresses like the Village People. actually I remember now that their first question was "Are you a member of the Village People?"
If wit woz shit...
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Andy Bastard
Droitwich,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (05->)
16 Nov 2007 17:48 |
Senor Simon:
If wit woz shit... |
Narna would be constipated!
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
16 Nov 2007 17:49 |
or he'd have diarrhoeoeoeoeoeoeoea
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Andy Bastard
Droitwich,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (05->)
16 Nov 2007 17:50 |
No, Narna does not give forth wit. 
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 17:57 |
then perhaps a fifth element?
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
16 Nov 2007 17:58 |
Fifth Elephant even....
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,171
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Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2007 19:29 |
FFS, haven't we worked out why Simon threw it down the road yet?
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
17 Nov 2007 11:58 |
null:
blulabel:
Forgive me for saying could it be that the 675 was in its comfort zone and you may have been pushing that wee bit harder to keep up....? Combine that with trying to keep up with a 675 hypersports bike on a bike that is ostensibly a cruiser.... and overworked the tyres and suspension for a moment... just a theory..... (11 Nov 2007 19:47)
That was what my mates said and in fact what happened cause just before this it was going through my mind to overtake the 675. I took the TBS out as I took the wrong keys to the car park and decided not to go back to get the 955 ones as I was late. My mindset was Daytona. The machinery was sporty cruiser.
So, I guess I don't any deserve any sympathy ... |
Yup we did.....!
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
17 Nov 2007 12:36 |
Thanks for reminding everyone!
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
17 Nov 2007 12:47 |
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,171
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Daytona 955i (04->)
17 Nov 2007 13:45 |
[edited]:
TFFT, we have closure!
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
23 Nov 2007 22:17 |
[edited]: oh fuck
nearly two weeks after the accident i went to the doctors to check out why the elbow still hurt. got a fucking fractured elbow mate! and i've spent two weeks riding the 400 silerwing scooter around town, carrying bags, etc. now arm is in a sling and i'm fucked again. and i thought i'd got away with it
no bikes till after xmas probably...
thios must put me in bruce willis territory for stupidity!
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Lord Blackadder
Sitges/Bilbao,
Spain
Posts: 1,408
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Thruxton 900 (04->)
23 Nov 2007 23:06 |
Blimey Simon!! I suggest that the next time you go for a ride with the TBS (i.e. once both you and the bike are mended again), give me a call, you know I don't ride fast (last year's head-on shunt and the ban I had earlier this year put paid to that) and nor do most of the blokes I ride with - some of whom you know already
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Señor Simón
Barcelona, Catalunya,
Spain
Posts: 1,733
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Daytona 955i (04->)
24 Nov 2007 08:56 |
i'll defo take u up on that. let's do a cruiser-classic ride-out for reformed bikers! that'll b post xmas for me. TBS goes back to Best Bikes to be mended .... when i'm able to ride it again.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 23,616
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Sprint ST (05->)
24 Nov 2007 14:22 |
Blimey, Simon, take it easy a while
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~Bluelabel~
The Shades, Ongar,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34,032
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Thunderbird Sport (98-00)
24 Nov 2007 15:29 |
Take it easy Simon
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