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PETER
WATERFORD,
Eire
Posts: 81
Daytona T595 (97-98)
04 Mar 2008 00:09 |
[edited]:
hay i had a brian wave ...
but dont know if its be done before or if it would help???
if you swop the double banjo bolt from the n/s caliper up to the master cylinder and then used a second long bake hose thus making to = lenth hose and bake even and poss a bit harder!!!!!
could this help as a cheap mod
ps
its only a brain wave!!!!!!!!?????????
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 Boycie
Brrrrrrrritain,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,494
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
04 Mar 2008 00:22 |
That has been done before .. it's main effect IIRC was to remove the u shaped looped that can trap bubbles and make it difficult to bleed
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PETER
WATERFORD,
Eire
Posts: 81
Daytona T595 (97-98)
04 Mar 2008 00:30 |
well i tryed
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Boycie
Brrrrrrrritain,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,494
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
04 Mar 2008 00:41 |
Nothing to stop you doing it ... it was obviously a good idea for others to do it ...
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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,168
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
04 Mar 2008 08:46 |
From what I've read it will help - but only a little
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noddy hayes
Keighley W Yorks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 48
Premier Member
Sprint ST (99-01)
04 Mar 2008 11:39 |
Currently awaiting delivery of a second hand brembo bleedable front master cylinder to put onto my 955i Sprint to see if that makes any noticable change.
Trying to do it in stages to see if I can positively identify for me whether itis the lines (dont believe so since I've had the dual line mod for some time now), M/C issue or whether it is solely down to the design/ operation of the calipers.
16mm M/C from Ducati ranges appear to fit with no need to change the unions/ hoses for the brake hose connections on the M/C end of the lines.
The accepted short term cure of removing the calipers and pushing fluid back up into the reservoir by depressing the pistons suggests that it is air collecting somewhere in the system.
Being able to bleed at the M/C the highest point in the system would be simpler than constantly removing the calipers!
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,142
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
04 Mar 2008 19:31 |
When I swapped to the dual line setup it took a good few goes to get the brakes bled properly.
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Tonto
Nr Scropton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,678
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
06 Mar 2008 09:28 |
If you want to improve the ST front brakes I think you will find that early Busa calipers are a direct fit (been done on the RS)
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D'Ecosse
Pleasanton CA,
USA
Posts: 681
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
07 Mar 2008 20:56 |
Tonto:
I think you will find that early Busa calipers are a direct fit.... |
Not just early Busa - all Busa. Some are gold, some are black, but all same fitment.
Note that these do NOT fit on S3's or Daytonas
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Tonto
Nr Scropton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,678
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
08 Mar 2008 07:11 |
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JoHNY
Edinburgh,
United Kingdom
Posts: 45
Daytona T595 (97-98)
03 Apr 2008 21:59 |
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I've put an AP radial master cylinder and two straight in lines on my 595. Jesus H f*ckin Christ, i wasn't prepared for that. I reckon the frame is gonna snap.
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StevesTBS
Leeds,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,185
Premier Member
Thunderbird Sport (03-04)
03 Apr 2008 22:57 |
I fitted 6 pot Tokico calipers off a Busa to my old RS, improved brakes no end
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Blue
Melb,
Australia
Posts: 360
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
04 Apr 2008 07:12 |
Noddy..... how did you go with the Brembo M/C ?
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Bob Harris
Lincolnshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 6
Daytona T595 (97-98)
04 Apr 2008 11:19 |
Hi fellow forum members - Has anyone tried this? I use a syring to "suck" the brake fluid through when bleeding etc. Once done, I then cable tie the brake lever hard on and leave overnight, occasionally tapping the lines with a spanner or similar to help dislodge any trapped bubbles. I always find that I end up with a good firm brake after this.Might help anyone with btrake troubles.
Bob.
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Dan The Man
An Englishman abroad,
Sweden
Posts: 345
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
04 Apr 2008 20:49 |
Noddy- that Brembo M/C, is it like this one?
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I bought this from a breakers, apparently from a 07 Suzuki GSXR 1000. Just fitted it. Went straight on with OE lines and banjo bolt. Only "issue" was the reservoir. The Suzuki one wouldn`t fit the OE bracket, so I had to swap them. Haven`t bled it or tested it yet. That bleed nipple is gonna come in handy.
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Mr. Shush
So. Cal,
USA
Posts: 47
Daytona T595 (97-98)
07 Apr 2008 18:43 |
[edited]:
well I put a 675 radial MC on mines
which was a huge improvement for a week ot two.
but it's going a bit mush. my wrench says to rebuild the unit
with new seals as we bled it twice with the same effect but reading this i dont think that will help.
what's the common understanding of the problem here?
someone said calipers, someone said lines, someone said
MCs.
i guess it all comes down to air in the fliud, but is there a known flaw? or just a difficult bleed process?
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Stu Grant
Calgary,
Canada
Posts: 118
Daytona 955i (99-01)
08 Apr 2008 20:58 |
675 pistons and seals in the calipers. Worked for me so far. The problem is seal stiction, 675 pistons have a different coating on the pistons.
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Mr. Shush
So. Cal,
USA
Posts: 47
Daytona T595 (97-98)
09 Apr 2008 07:37 |
oi Stu,
thats a good looking ride, you should update your profile's pics and mods.
are you saying you use 675 pistons and seals in stock 99 front calipers?
and this to correct for a slight lack of seal in earlier stock units that allows molecular air into the system from a flawed coating/seal interface?! wow.
anyone else try or confirm this?
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Mr. Shush
So. Cal,
USA
Posts: 47
Daytona T595 (97-98)
09 Apr 2008 18:23 |
ok i searched the threads and found this
http://www.t595.net/messa.....ight=675+piston
so i get it .
too bad theres no caliper swap for the early tona.
the seals replacement sounds like a mess and a bit of time.
thanks for the heads up!
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noddy hayes
Keighley W Yorks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 48
Premier Member
Sprint ST (99-01)
25 Apr 2008 15:14 |
Blue,
Unfortunately the Brembo calipers I purchased from a breaker weren't quite what had been described to me ie: no bleed nipple.
Your picture shows pretty much what I was hoping for. Same as my Ducati only gold coloured instead.
I did however try as an interim a bleedable banjo connection at the M/C.
Unfortunately again after about 1500 miles of riding this too has not proved a succcess.
For my set up it has to be down to the calipers somewhere. They've just been cleaned and new seals fitted.
Looks like I may be going down new caliper route or the pistons.
Has anybody given a definitive answer regarding the 675 pistons and their long term solutionto the problem???? STU ????
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Blue
Melb,
Australia
Posts: 360
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
26 Apr 2008 15:11 |
A few days ago I came across a post about some guy who cleaned his pistons thoroughly every 10000kms and it did the job. Lever stayed firm in between.
Its the first thing I'll try next weekend and see how long the results last.
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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,168
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
26 Apr 2008 16:19 |
Careful of Ebay Brembos - according to MCN there are a lot of fakes for sale
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Steve Bassen
Hagerstown, MD,
USA
Posts: 8
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
28 Apr 2008 14:28 |
I'm going on a year for the 675 piston swap on my 02 Daytona and the brakes are still just as good as they were immediately after the "fix"...
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Stu Grant
Calgary,
Canada
Posts: 118
Daytona 955i (99-01)
28 Apr 2008 22:05 |
Did mine last summer and still excellent brake feel, no sponginess, long travel etc. BTW Steve is the one who pioneered this, thanks for that Steve, I think you found the permanent solution. All the bleeding and master cylinders in the world won't fix the original problem. Two piston sets with seals cost me $170.33 cdn last spring.
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Mr. Shush
So. Cal,
USA
Posts: 47
Daytona T595 (97-98)
05 May 2008 08:15 |
well i bled the thing myself and i must say it's already been stiffer longer than my last trip to the shop.
have to give that mechanic a talking to now.
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noddy hayes
Keighley W Yorks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 48
Premier Member
Sprint ST (99-01)
05 May 2008 11:36 |
[edited]:
Just fitted the 675 pistons to my ST calipers. Havent yet managed to ride it yet.
Even with every thing clean and new looking there is a noticable difference in the ease of operation between the original ST pistons and the newer 675, though that could be just down to the age of my old pistons. Nice to see a difference though.
Interestingly for those looking to replace pistons anyway its a damned sight cheaper to buy the 675 pistons than the "ST" original replacement ones. £102.0 for front end piston set and seals for the 675.
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